Extra Long Burndown = :eek:
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I love heads up racin:yup:

Hey, good thinking guys! Sit there with you're little "burn the other car down" game...all the while the tires are getting cold, track is seeping water, and the motor is getting hot. Then wonder why he gets out of shape. Good gosh. You would think that one of them would have sense enough to stage.

That, and another rant I have (goes along with some of the 10.5 cars I saw last night..) What is the deal with "outlaw" 10.5 cars? Most of the competitors are running 1500-2000 HP, with tires that are 10.5" wide (some a little wider...the W tires) and wonder why they don't hook up? EVERY fast 10.5 car I have seen has crashed at one time or another....I personally know one guy that's proably spent close to $100,000 on 3 different cars and engines in a year's time....all because either it wouldn't compete or was destroyed.

There was one guy last night....had a '91 Mustang coupe, with a turbo 438" Ford small block...Brodix heads (BIG heads!). Biggest turbo I have ever seen on a car...for that matter on a Detroit Diesel! Thing was HUGE! Anyway, he pulls to the line, releases the transbrake and it is going well...gets about 100' out and the rear tires go up in smoke, similar to a top fuel car with a mis-adjusted clutch. Luckily the guy had a clue and kept it straight, unlike some I've seen. So what is the fun in losing races because you can't get the tires to take the power? Looks like a big waste of money to me....but I guess I came from a different era.
Sorry, I will keep the over-tired and underpowered Maverick.

So what is the fun in losing races because you can't get the tires to take the power? Looks like a big waste of money to me....but I guess I came from a different era.

All the big power drag racing is about hooking up the tires...top fuel, funny car and pro stock. All these classes limit the tire size, they are all dangerous, and they are all rediculously expensive...that's just pro drag racing.

I think its great. I love watching it. It beats the throttle-stop, half-throttle, computerized, all-chevy NHRA super comp type racing any day.

Scary video, I hope he was OK.

I dont go to the track much but I never seen anything like that before. What is the big deal on who stages first???

Nothing but a head game Dennis, if you stage in first the other guy can make you sit there on ready indefinitely, you get antsy and the probability of red lighting goes up and on a pro tree it's even worse.

Ahhh..... Sounds pretty dumb to me. Maybe they should make a rule on how much time you have to stage.

Ahhh..... Sounds pretty dumb to me. Maybe they should make a rule on how much time you have to stage.

We have a rule like that at your local track.
I forgot the exact time, but after the guy hits his first light, you have X amount of seconds to bump yours on.
I think it's like 5 or 15 seconds, i don't recall.
It's so the other guy can't play tricks, plus it keeps the racing going and fun to watch. It CAN be over ridden if say car one stages, car 2 stalls out and has to restart motor. The starting line guy can override that timer IF he think it's fair. But if a guy is just being a jerk and taking forever, then the rule is in effect

I think it also has something to do with racing against a turbo car. When the turbo guy stages he has to spool up the turbo. If he spools it up, he has to go soon or let the RPMs back down. The other guy will wait to stage and it will screw up the turbo guy. Turbo guys like Dan Millin with the Mustang in the video like to stage last, but people are trying not to let him.

They normally don't seem to do it much at all the heads up racing I've seen, just sometimes in the finals...it really gets the crowd going to so it's actually pretty cool.

I was there Friday. These guys were pitted next to each other. They both were thrashing to get ready for the final round. White was in the staging lanes first and Millen did not get there until the third call. So I think there was a bunch of head games going on. Millen went 7.20 the round before and Whites went 8.14. I think Whites was trying to shake Millen up at the starting line. White was pulling on Millen just before he went out of shape. The staging rule is once the first guy stages the other guy has 8 seconds and the tree starts. So they could have been there all night.

Extra Long Burndown = :eek:
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Rick what track was this at ??

That was at Milan Dragway in Michigan.

Andy is right, the auto start timing system can be programed for any amount of delay. It is now on 15 seconds. You diddle around for 16 and you will get a red light and lose without moving a inch. Mavman has been accused of burning seople down but it is actually his routine of getting the car and mind ready for the launch. Never has taken more than the 15 sec though. Concentration is the name of the game and consistency along with a decent running car. Heads up racing is more HP and "who has the most money to invest".

One other thing about burn downs, is that in makes for bad feelings between racers. We have a blue bulb in the center of the tree, after the two cars approach the start line, they are to wait until it starts to flash before staging. This lets you know that your dial in and the auto start computer is loaded and ready. One of the racers should courtesy pre stage, then the other, once both are pre staged they can both sit there till hell freezes over, but as soon as one of them turns that second set of yellows on, the other fellow has just 15 sec to stage or get the red. The only real drawback to both sitting on the pre stage lights, is if one car is on gas and the other on alcohol. The methanol car can idle all day at the line and never get hot, normally the start line director or "boss man" will catch this and force one or the other to quit playing around and move into the stage beam. All tracks are different and have different rules on this stuff.We have a rule like that at your local track.
I forgot the exact time, but after the guy hits his first light, you have X amount of seconds to bump yours on.
I think it's like 5 or 15 seconds, i don't recall.
It's so the other guy can't play tricks, plus it keeps the racing going and fun to watch. It CAN be over ridden if say car one stages, car 2 stalls out and has to restart motor. The starting line guy can override that timer IF he think it's fair. But if a guy is just being a jerk and taking forever, then the rule is in effect

That was at Milan Dragway in Michigan.


need to send them bad boy fords to texas july 16 for the www.theclashofthetitans.com we need a ford in #1 spot

heres why 1/4 mile

I think it also has something to do with racing against a turbo car. When the turbo guy stages he has to spool up the turbo. If he spools it up, he has to go soon or let the RPMs back down. The other guy will wait to stage and it will screw up the turbo guy.

having a turbo car myself, I know that it don't take over a minute to get it spooled....even with a big turbo on a V8 like Dan's....it just takes a second and some guys dont' want to wait. IF I ever get this stupid thing worth of a race track, I plan on using a MSD 2 step...that way I can just mat the throttle and dump the clutch...and leave with boost. I don't know if the heavy hitters are able to do that--backfire in the manifold would be a big boom I would think, especially since most of the big turbo V8 cars have a mile of intercooler piping.

re: why so much hp on 10.5"?
That is the main purpose of the tire size limitation - these guys have to tune these things to the nth degree to get 'em to stay between the lines and without burning the tires off. Some of the these guys have 3-stage nitrous kits on 'em (timed at different intervals down the track). It is an absoulute blast to watch!

re: burndown
I believe at the local tracks in Houston, you can stay pre-staged as long as you like (like what's on the vid). Only when one driver lights the SECOND yellow (fully staged) does the timer begin - usually 15 seconds.

I've also used the burndown to my advantage. I was up against a Lightning. The longer I sat there, the more I could here his rpm's revving. I only fully staged when I suspected his rpm's were too high to get any traction. Just as I suspected. A "W" for me. It really is part of the head-game. I've had it attempted on me several times too. Only my cars were so slow and off their dial, it really didn't bother me 'cause I figured I didn't stand a chance anyway! :rofl:

re: Todd Moyer
Ivey, I think I mentioned the night I saw him eat it at the end of the (short) track at HMP. He absolutely did not pull the shoot until he was way passed the traps. I do know that that is one fast sunuvagun though. :eek:

Jeez, I love this hobby! :D

Rick Jeff got the #1 spot last year at the clash . But had a ford that that ran the low numbers they were the last two to run and the ford broke a wheel on the line but Todd ran 6.97 at houston this year (1/4 mile) he will be their i am sure.Rick I will be their to run N/E if you come out come by

JEFF the man last year

Naiser is definetly a threat. I love watching that car too.

A lot of my (other) friends are going to be at the Clash too, Ivey. I might try to make it out on Saturday at least.

My friend, Ben Frazier, is supposed to be there. He has put together a turbo Mustang Coupe (Street Class) that should break into the low 9's! :eek: He was in line at the FFW in Louisiana when a kid behind him hit his nitrous and rear-ended his car. Ben's car then rear-ended the car in front of him. It totaled out Ben's Mustang Saleen (clone) convertible (that had been in more than a few magazines). He was running low 10.1XX's on a pump-gas tune on his 351 based engine. He took that drive-train out of that HEAVY convertible and put it into a VERY LIGHT Mustang Coupe recently. He hasn't made a full all-out pass in it yet.

'Hope to see you there and Good Luck :thumbsup: