The Ford Maverick Information Site (FMIS) and Maverick Message Board (MMB) have been online since 1996. When I first set up the FMIS, I used Geocities, which at the time offered 1 meg (less than the capacity of a floppy disk) of disk space to develop a homepage for free. Over the years, the website increased in size and outgrew Geocities. In 1998, I purchased the domain name maverick.to and moved the site to paid hosting, and began archiving all the message boards. As the popularity of the MMB grew, the MMB software had to be upgraded as well, as it could no longer handle the increased load. Thanks to the generosity of MMB members, I purchased state-of-the-art forum software, Vbulletin, in 2002. Today, the FMIS and MMB use over 500 megs (the equivalent of 345 floppy disks) of disk space and it keeps growing with each new post on the MMB.

For the past couple of years, I have been doing some freelance web development with a friend, and as a perk, I get to host this website for free. Unfortunately, the amount of freelance work has been on the decline and I do not know how much longer I will be able to freely host this site. I am currently unemployed and will be so until I complete my degree, which will be no sooner than December 2004. Therefore, if I can no longer host this site for free; I will not be able to pay for the cost of the site.

With the amount of resources that this site requires, plus the cost of the domain name and Vbulletin support, it will cost about $500.00 USD a year to operate this site. A decent hosting package with enough disk space and bandwidth (amount of data transferred from this site to your computer, which will likely be this month a record-breaking 6000 megs) is $35.00 USD a month. The domain name (maverick.to) renewal fee is $50.00 USD (“.to”s are more expensive than “.com”s) a year and Vbulletin support and upgrades are $30.00 USD a year.

What I would like to do is make this website financially self-supporting. Over the summer, I thought about several possibilities to generate income, and the best idea that I came up with was to offer webhosting. Selling webhosting would enable me to buy a large hosting package, which I could then subdivide and create smaller packages to sell.

I would offer several different packages, with a base package starting at $5.00 USD a month. This would include 25megs of disk space, several e-mails and the ability to run certain scripts like guest books, etc. The only additional cost will be a domain name, which can be had for $5.00 USD a year for a “.com”.

A fully functional website with a domain name and emails@yourdomain.com would only cost $65.00 a year. I would provide all the technical support through a help desk system and I would write up tutorials on how to set up e-mail, transfer files, etc. All you would have to do is create the website, which can be done easily through the use of a free webpage program.

As an incentive, I will place a rotating banner on the bottom of the MMB, where every site that I would host would get exposure to hundreds of visitors a day. Also, I will help you move any existing sites to my web server.

I am serious about this and would like to get some feedback on this idea. Don’t be shy in expressing your thoughts or questions. I have a few days off and would like to know if you will support this idea, so I could get the ball rolling. Thank you.

Stefan, let me be the first to thank you for all you have done here. There can be no doubt that this has become the "Mecca of Maverick" for all of us. With us spread out all over everywhere, this is a valuable means of communication. I, for one, will support this site and I am sure I will have a great deal of company. $65/year for a site is a great rate and I'm there, dude. Figure out what will be the best and most cost effective course of action and let us know. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and hope the unempolyment becomes just a bad memory very soon.

Stephen,

Sucky news.

I'm in financial straits muhsef, but I suppose I could do the $5/mo thing - but where does it end? What happens next year? How much more will be needed? I'm not asking these questions expecting you to provide an actual dollar amount - it just sounds like "we", as John Q. Public, don't know what's gonna hit us next and how much it will cost.

Would the allowance of sponsor banners or annoying pop-ups (which can be controlled) eliminate the need for a 'paid subscribers-only-board'?

How are similar non-paying-subscriber boards surviving?

As you can tell, I know little about how this thing Al Gore invented, so my random thoughts may not even apply to your post.

Good luck with the job-search. I feel your pain,


-Rick

Stefan, First off, thanks for all you do and have done. Secondly, I will follow your good judgement and guidance as to what you need from us to fund this site.
Dan

Stefan,

Let me know when you're ready to begin this hosting deal. I've been toying with the idea for my new chassis fabrication sideline anyway. Let me know when and where.

Thanks,

Stefan

When I got on the internet some 7 or so years ago.....you were the first Maverick person I ran into. I emailed you and you emailed me back. I was so excited!! I just wanted to thank you for all your hard work and echo everyone else's sentiments.

Since I already have numerous websites that I don't already maintain :) .....I don't need another one.

Flat out....I will cut you a check and send you some money...just say the word and it is as good as done. Real simple that way. I am sure others won't have a problem doing the same. Just let us know.

First of all thanks for everything that you have done all these years. Sad to hear it has come to this but we need to do what it takes to keep the best and original Maverick site going. One thought I had was that some mustang forums I have seen around have sponsor banners and such. Even if it may decrease the "purity" of the site or be a little annoying I bet most people wouldn't mind if it meant the site could live on.

Originally posted by Wes
Stefan, let me be the first to thank you for all you have done here. There can be no doubt that this has become the "Mecca of Maverick" for all of us. With us spread out all over everywhere, this is a valuable means of communication. I, for one, will support this site and I am sure I will have a great deal of company. $65/year for a site is a great rate and I'm there, dude. Figure out what will be the best and most cost effective course of action and let us know. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and hope the unempolyment becomes just a bad memory very soon.

Wes, thanks for the kind words. :)

Originally posted by Rick Book
[B]Stephen,

Sucky news.

I'm in financial straits muhsef, but I suppose I could do the $5/mo thing - but where does it end? What happens next year? How much more will be needed? I'm not asking these questions expecting you to provide an actual dollar amount - it just sounds like "we", as John Q. Public, don't know what's gonna hit us next and how much it will cost.


Rick, do not feel obliged to contribute financially if you cannot. As long as this site is up, there will be costs involved and hopefully they do not escalate with the increase in popularity. I cannnot predict how much hosting will cost in the comming years, but if it follows the trends of personal computers, you will get more for the same. 5 years ago a good computer was $2000 and with it you could create word docs, spreadsheets and play a few games. Today, a $2000 computer will allow you to do so much more like multimedia editing.


Would the allowance of sponsor banners or annoying pop-ups (which can be controlled) eliminate the need for a 'paid subscribers-only-board'?


During the dot-com boom when pay-per-click rates were good, I ran banner ads at the top of the MMB. Barely anyone clicked on them so I removed the banners after a few months. I never collected a penny from the banner company, as I needed to reach a certain quota before being issued a check. :rolleyes: Today the pay-per-click rates are so low, many sites who were able to survive off of banners, no longer can.

Another problem is that the MMB serves a small market so sponsors would be hard to find. One thing I will not do is turn the MMB into a 'paid subscribers-only-board'.


How are similar non-paying-subscriber boards surviving?


Im sure the Mustang boards have an easier time getting sponsors as that market is much bigger than the Maverick one.

Originally posted by Craig Selvey


Since I already have numerous websites that I don't already maintain :) .....I don't need another one.


You could always trasfer your site from your current provider.


Flat out....I will cut you a check and send you some money...just say the word and it is as good as done. Real simple that way. I am sure others won't have a problem doing the same. Just let us know.

I will set up donation link or you could snail mail me. Thanks.

Originally posted by ADC_72Maverick
First of all thanks for everything that you have done all these years. Sad to hear it has come to this but we need to do what it takes to keep the best and original Maverick site going. One thought I had was that some mustang forums I have seen around have sponsor banners and such. Even if it may decrease the "purity" of the site or be a little annoying I bet most people wouldn't mind if it meant the site could live on.

The Mustang market is much bigger than the Maverick market. My previous experience with banners was disapointing, as no one clicked on them.

This sure is becoming a sullen post eh?

Stefan, thank you for everything you have been doing for the board. It really is a great empire of a maverick site.

As for the paid site thing, maybe if you made it so that MCCI members didnt have to pay. The only people that had to pay is the people who are not in the MCCI just looking for information. This would create one of two possible situations,

1. support the boards cost, and encourage more people to join the MCCI

or

2.Not support the boards cost, and drive people away from the board/MCCI

Maybe if you closed this board and kept it as a smaller based archive site in a link on a new MMB it would cut the costs for operation. What im saying is if you stopped the posts on this board, stopping the growth, making it an information site only, you could have a new board with all the previous posts not bogging it down with their girth in the megabyte world.

I dont know if anybody can follow that but maybe it might help???

again, thanks for everything Stefan.

-Todd:)

Stefan, you have a AWESOME board here and I will support in anyway I can. I do not wish to have a website......I don't think :confused: But I would more than glad to send you some money.

I think I need this board as much as anyone does....how else would I stay awake at work every night? ;)

Actually this is exactally what I need. I have The Mavaholic.com name for a couple of years but dont have a clue as to where to go from here. Super cool. Even if I didnt, this board is worth investing in. Count me in.

Not much else can be said to complement what a marvelous job you've done maintaining this board! Well done!!

I'm all gain to donate to the cost of the board, and/or I would consider moving my website and having you host the site. I'd go either way. Just let me know how much!

[Actually, since I've turned to Roadrunner for my ISP last spring, I will have to eventually get away from my old dial-up provider who hosts my site for free with the account. My pictures are at yet another host, which I pay for, so maybe this is the time].

I will be glad to sent some money to help, you are doing a great job, I understand that you and Craig( at MCCI) should't have to do all the work and I just sit back and click

Stephan; I have supported your efforts in the past, and will continue to in the future. You provide us an invaluable service, and you should not, and as far as I can see, will not have to do it on your own dime. Thanks again, and keep us posted, and let us know what is required to keep the board up and running.

Earl

I will add one more thing......

Maverick "subscriber" sites have been tried in the past. That just doesn't seem to work. Let's face it....we own Mavericks/Comets. By definition, we are cheap :) Why pay for something when it is available somewhere else for FREE. This site, in my opinion, must remain a free site in order to be useful and enjoyable.

I will do whatever it takes to make sure it remains so.

Stefan,
All I can do is echo the thoughtsand praise of everyone else's posts. For the last year or so(since owning the "chick magnet"):p this site has been wonderful, a nice community. All that tech stuff makes my head hurt:confused: and I need to replace the exhaust manifold gasket today($$$$ and time).:( So....whatever your solution is, since last decisions seemed to work well, let me know as well and lets keep it rollin'.
P.S. the $65 yr doesn't seem to bad.:)
P.P.S. Just sent in my MCCI form and $$:p

...Craig, Dan and Dennis, and several others. The board should remain free to continue the obvious growing interest in these cars. More than that, I enjoy chatting with you lads as well as newcomers! If it had been a pay site in the beginning, I probably wouldn't be here.

Count me in, I'll stroke a check. I probably could be persuaded to buy a website if it could be about my car.

Questions -to you and Craig

1- Is it possible to make these fees part of the MCCI membership?

2- To cut down on bandwidth and space used for pics, I love pics, can you give us suggestions on free pic posting services and tell us how to do that and post links instead of pics? Would that even be worthwhile?


Seth

Although the advertising banners concept doesn't work well, I would think that AutoKrafters, who sees the viability in a Maverick only catalog, could pony up $500 for sponsorship.

I too appreciate your work very much, not too long ago when you changed servers and the site was down for a few days, I just about had a panick attact.. I thought "what if it never comes back? What if I never talk to them again, how in hell am I going to finish (start) my restoration now without my supersource??"

On all the other boards I go to, they don't allow people to upload pictures. I am sure that this takes up very valuable space. Why don't you disable that feature, so that we have to link our pictures in the IMG tags??? That should save some $$$$


here are a couple of free image hosting places for those who want them.

www.imagestation.com

and

http://imagehosting.soldiersites.com/logout.php?t=1

the second one is a little easier to use, and free, don't pay attn to the price, it is a free service, just sign up and enjoy. also, don't pay attn to the unauthorized access message.

if anyone does not know how to use the image hosting to post the pics let me know, and I will walk you through it.

Although I know very little (nothing) about free picture hosting, I do remember using one and after a while they shut the doors so all the pictures were gone. I would rather pay what ever it takes to keep everything in one place so we dont have to worry about it.

I agree, I would rather chip in and pay something and have the board retain what we have now. I am sure most of us would agree that those who use the board would more than get their money's worth. As some others have mentioned when the board went down for the change over and was not available for a few days it was missed. I just think about the benefits that the board has given us, such as great information from others, classified ads, and the club news etc. etc.! The board has become a big part of our hobby! :)

I look at this message board everyday in search of info , laughs and because I am interested so I would paypal you something to keep doing it .

One question . If you are gonna host webspace , does the content need to be autmomotive related ? ( I am not talking about porn )

To answer Seth's question:

Can't really combine your MCCI membership dues with any donation/fee to this website because:

1. They are not related
2. Stefan is in Canada....MCCI is in the USA
3. The MCCI is a federally recognized Not for Profit organization. We have to file taxes, papework, etc. Combining the MCCI fees with this website would really complicate things.

I would like to see this website stay exactly the way it is....including being able to post pictures. Again, I am willing to cut a check to keep it this way.

How difficult would it be to register a "dot com" domain? I know that wouldn't solve the curent dilema, but you mentioned that dot coms were cheaper than dot "to"s.

I tried Maverick.com but nothing seems to appear on my browser...

I am willing to pay to use the board, but I don't think it would be good for the board if it was required, that would push newbies away really fast! If you decide to require that it be a money membership board, maybe you could have a option for a 30 or sixty day free trial to keep bringing in new guys and get them hooked.

I am really happy that everyone is willing to help and as long as I can freely host the site, I do not want to accept any money. Ill only ask for it when I will really need it.

As for the hosting and domain name registration, im setting it up and it should be ready in the next couple of days.

Registering a domain name is very simple and should only take a few minutes. However, it will take 24-48 hours for the domain name to propagate around the world.

Your website can be on whatever you want as long as it is legal.

I want to keep the MMB the way it is now. I do not want to make it a two-tiered system and I want to keep the option of image uploading. Its simple, works great and as they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words"

If anyone has any individual questions they would like answered, feel free to email me.

Originally posted by T.L.
How difficult would it be to register a "dot com" domain? I know that wouldn't solve the curent dilema, but you mentioned that dot coms were cheaper than dot "to"s.

I tried Maverick.com but nothing seems to appear on my browser...


You can search for your domain here. https://domains.rackshack.net/

Originally posted by RudyD
I am willing to pay to use the board, but I don't think it would be good for the board if it was required, that would push newbies away really fast! If you decide to require that it be a money membership board, maybe you could have a option for a 30 or sixty day free trial to keep bringing in new guys and get them hooked.

This is someting I do not want to do. At most, I would ask for donations.

FordMaverick.org is currently available. Only $5 plus tax...

Stefan; If it wasn't for the MMB, I would still just have a nice little 6 cyl. lime green daily driver instead of a garage full of disassembled Maverick for the last 4 years!!! Just kidding, of course. While there IS some truth to this (I would never have started this restomod project without the bottomless source of info that is the MMB) I wouldn't have it any other way.
I agree with the idea that the MMB should be free, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be pleased to help sponsor it if necessary. Let us know what you need. I get the sense from the responses so far that you have massive support. Again, let us know what you want to do. Thanks so much for all you've done.
Sincerely; John B.

First let me start by saying stefan you do an excellent job at what you do and you have an awsome site. but i to think it should remain free. does it really have to be a .com or .to or .org why not try one of the free sites like hypermart or yahoo or something like that. but if it comes down to haveing to pay then you can count me in.

Originally posted by 171grabber
does it really have to be a .com or .to or .org why not try one of the free sites like hypermart or yahoo or something like that. but if it comes down to haveing to pay then you can count me in.

This site outgrew the free providers long time ago. The key feature that even some paid providers do not offer is SSH. SSH is like a MS-DOS prompt which allows me to navigate through the file system and run system programs. In order to run a database backup, I need to have SSH access. Everytime there was a database corruption, which occured frequently during the past several months, I would take a backup before attempting the repair.

Yeah I'd like to say thanks too to you Steph. I have meet a few great people here on these boards and made a few enemies as well… lol…. I also understand that this type of thing takes money as well as a lot and I mean a lot of time to take care of. I myself work on a site that needs continuous updating at least 4 times a day! Do I get paid for it? No and Yes but I do it for the people and the person that I do the site for. As for my own maverick site… hey I fork our 9 bucks or so just so I can have the name. Why? Well again because I like to.

I wouldn't mind supporting you steph however I think it would be better if you some how got MCCI members to pay for part of it within the yearly fee as some others have suggested. Maybe MCCI can offer them something a little extra like key chains, t-shirts etc people would support it. If you need free stuff like t-shirts and other things let me know.

I really believe the mmb should be free to help grow a car that has no place in most places. If you charge for it you will lose the effectiveness of this board as well as drawing new people in to Mavericks (remember what happened to other boards?) Anways before I though I was like the only stupid guy building Mavericks in southern Cali cuz I never saw any. Ok well, maybe I saw one or to here and there but the people weren't die hards! But now I know there are and I have met several of them in person. We have been able to shoot the bull and it just really neat to have someone with the same interests as you.

Do what you have to do just let us know when and where.

Thanks again!

or how about this... lose the archives that are over a year old and then just some how... i don't know how but put them on a cd. Then if people are intrested in the older information.. they can buy it! sell it for like 2-5 bucks or something. i'm sure people would buy that for a years worth of info. this way you would be able to free up some space on the server. just my 1 cent of advise.

Put on your list. I'm also involved with a Falcon club and our chub site is just an earthlink deal that is ok, but not real good. Lemme know what we can do with you and help keep this site going. We have run into the same thing with TFFN for Falcon guys.

Let me also say what a great job you do Stefan! This site has been so helpful to me. I, too, would be willing to pony up a check to keep it going as is. I also agree that the site should stay free, because, as someone else said, if it was a pay site, when I was first looking for info I would have passed on it.

Stephan, The praise is the same, this is a fantastic board, when I found this one a couple of years ago I felt I new pretty much everything on these cars (owning them for almost 22 years), but I was wrong. Everyday I get on the board there is a different topic being asked, and it is interesting to watch and learn more. Like all others on this board I will support this board, so count me in on the $65.00 a year. Just let me know when and where to send it. And while I am at it I ought to join the club too. Thanks for everything, Chandler aka blownmaverick:D

Yes...please join the MCCI. I don't think you will regret it.....nobody else ever has ;)

MCCI (http://www.maverickcometclub.org)

I'm outa here for the next two weeks,(job etc.) so please don't shut down while I'am away if ya need some bucks I'm in

If you need a donation, count me in, too. I would love to help keep this board going free of charge. As everyone said, thanks for all your hard work. This board enabled me to finish my car. THANK YOU!
-Corbin

As to most dilemnas, there is usually a solution. I think that it is plainly evident now that we, as a whole, will not let this site become a fond memory. Stefan, you are dealing with the issues on your end and will come up with the most cost effective formula to make this work, I'm confident. On our end, we have to decide individually what is our best contribution, either a site subscription for our businesses, etc., or a donation regularly to defray operating costs, or whatever is needed to keep this site whole. Personally, I'm glad to see the support from all of you and I'm especially glad to see the kudos to Stefan. There's been all too many "slams" on the several internet medias we have used over the last couple of years that it is refreshing to see the unity. Let's face facts, friends...we are different people from different places bound by a similar tie, our love of a certain species of motor vehicle. We will disagree and maybe on occassion, make someone angry with something said, even if it was never intended to be that way. This is just part of the human condition. Right now, I'm more proud than ever to be associated with the Maverick/Comet community. In this region, our cars are becoming more and more recognized as is MCCI. There were at least 6 Mavericks racing at National Trail Raceway in Columbus this weekend and they put on a great showing in Pro Eliminator. You should have seen the orange/white beauty in the exhibition class! Let's keep on supporting Stefan and his fine work and even more importantly, let's keep supporting each other regardless. I'm confident this board will survive and thrive, especially with the responses I've seen here.

stephan, you can count me in too. i don't post a lot of tech stuff as there's a lot more informed people on this board than me. but i do read it every day that i'm in town. it's a wealth of info that i do not think can be duplicated. thanks:)

I am new to this site and somewhat new to Mavericks. This site had made everything about working on Mavs so much easier and with fewer mistakes...its great! I would be lost without it...count me in for any donations!! I hope to meet some of you at some of the functions next year...hopefully mine will be done by then. Thanks again for a great site. (..and I will be joining MCCI)

JP

If a fee is charged, I will pay it! The amount of info here is staggering and the willingness of people to help is refreshing! Sponsors, fee's adds what ever it takes!

Mark

I echo mark_b's post, whatever it takes! BTW, Mark, how's things going lately? PM me.

Earl

What ever is decided, PLEASE mass e-mail everyone with the details on wat needs to be done on the members end. We gotta keep this family together!!!

Mark B

stefan, i am the one who contacted you about customizing the forums and what not....

dunno if u remembered, but i run my own site HERE (http://splaash.com) and there are a few things i could suggest.

First would be giving your services to make money for the site.
Thats the step i have choosen with my site. I simply charge VERY small fee's (like 10% of what big wig business's charge) just to do website layouts and other graphics. With all the money made, i can afford to keep the site running. Possibly u have something u could sell service wise on here?

Also, Changing your web host?
I have a list of killer webhosts, lots of bandwith, and space, and such, for cheap!

Another thing would be the domain name... get a dot com? they are a lot more popular and cheaper, then do it?

And there are a few other things. Also, if needed, i could even run the forums off of my webhost and such. you can be super admin of forums and whatever else.

All just suggestions. Hope it helps.

I also would like to thank you for all you've done for the Maverick community. Many people that visit this site have helped me when I asked for it. It's like having your own shop manuel here. I own several muscle Mustangs & Fords, so I only visit this site occasionally, rather then daily. I barely have time to post, so keeping this sit up must take a lot more effort. I am not that computer literate, but I have often thought about having my own web site. And I would literally need you to walk me thru it. Anyway, count me in & I'll support you in any way possible. Again, thank you.

Originally posted by relic
stefan, i am the one who contacted you about customizing the forums and what not....


I still remember. Your site is top notch :)


First would be giving your services to make money for the site.
Thats the step i have choosen with my site. I simply charge VERY small fee's (like 10% of what big wig business's charge) just to do website layouts and other graphics. With all the money made, i can afford to keep the site running. Possibly u have something u could sell service wise on here?


That is why I set up cybermaverick.net


Also, Changing your web host?
I have a list of killer webhosts, lots of bandwith, and space, and such, for cheap!


Good and cheap are to find. Im on my 4th host and 6th server, and transfering hosts gets complicated with multiple databases and scripts(some scripts have 'broke'). Up time for the MMB has been excellent since the last move. The server is a 2.4Ghz P4 and load levels are very low. I really do not want to move anytime soon or separate the MMB from the main site.

Originally posted by gsjohnson
I am not that computer literate, but I have often thought about having my own web site. And I would literally need you to walk me thru it. Anyway, count me in & I'll support you in any way possible. Again, thank you.

If you ever want to set up a website, take a look at
cybermaverick.net (http://cybermaverick.net).

I could walk you through all the steps. The only thing you would have to do is make your page. Here is an excellent program http://www.evrsoft.com/

Stefan,

I'll be getting with you in the next couple of weeks. I still have to come up with a suitable name for my chassis sideline. I will be looking at the second level of service. Is it going to be a problem to upgrade in mid-stream if I need to? Just asking....wishful thinking on my part :D

Thanks,

Originally posted by Stefan

That is why I set up cybermaverick.net

yea sorry didnt know you set that up already :)
hopefully that brings in the money to run these forums. Goodluck and thanks for the things you've done.

Originally posted by Maxx Levell
Stefan,

I'll be getting with you in the next couple of weeks. I still have to come up with a suitable name for my chassis sideline. I will be looking at the second level of service. Is it going to be a problem to upgrade in mid-stream if I need to? Just asking....wishful thinking on my part :D

Thanks,

Upgrading, downgrading, canceling will never be a problem and there will never be any penalties. :bananaman

...and the support department is very easy to work with!;)

Stephen

Just got back after a little absence. You do a great job. I won't use the web hosting. But if funding is required for this board......in the words of one of the characters in the "Right Stuff"........."Hmmmmm Sounds Dangerous! Count me in."

John

Stefan,


Would it possible to add a small fee to the MCCI that would apply toward maintaining this web site. Like say another $5.00 a person. I am not a member but would be willing to join to help maintain this wonderful/useful site. Thanks for all the years of service.


Lance

I have covered this in a previous post (I think).....anyways.....

The MCCI and this website are two totally seperate entities. The membership dues paid to the MCCI go toward the MCCI, incorprotated here in the USA. Any fees paid to Stefan or his new undertaking go directly to Stefan in Canada. It would be an accounting nitemare to try and run all fees thru the MCCI, as well as a lot of work to figure out how a not-for-profit U.S. corporation collects fees for a business enterprise in Canada.

The simple answer is they are completely seperate "businesses" and should stay that way. It would be like going to Burger King and getting a Whopper and wanting to pay you phone bill as well. :)

But you should still going the MCCI. The MCCI is way more than what you see on this webpage or any other. You are missing A LOT by not being a member.

Click here to learn how to join the MCCI. (http://www.maverickcometclub.org)

The lady here, at Burger King takes my phone payment all the time. Only catch is she only takes cash. Now if I can just get the phone company to figure out why my phone dont work.

I hope you got a reciept. :rolleyes: :D j/k