Easy T5 swap use full mustang trans , keep mechanical clutch , no parts to buy !!

Please help.

Its ok?
The input shaft seems to short to me. Or its ok?

the input shaft is 1cm inside the bellhousing.

I wanna swap a T5
Thanks friends

 

That appears to be a big block input, have shorter pilot bearing extension than small block. Spline area should be same.

At one time there was a stepped pilot bearing that accounted for shorter length.

 

A little bit better price:
https://www.cjponyparts.com/cpc-t-5-adapter-plate-for-6-bolt-bellhousings-1965-1973/p/T5AP/

 

Is that the T5 in your picture?

 

Thanks for replies.

So I know you are correct. The problem, is the Big block input is too short to reach the pilot bearing?
The solution? Buy a new input shaft? Or something like this(Think is more cheap)? Or it could work with that input?

Too late

Yes it is. T5, bell housing, starter.

 

Generally the big block shaft just barely reaches into the pilot bearing, basically the adapter bearing was just a thicker version of orig. One you've pictured is overkill for your application.

The inputs can be swapped, but it's necessary to determine if transmission is close or wide ratio, the two do not interchange.

Is there a ID tag that starts with RUG or maybe HEH?

http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/idchart1.htm

 

Wish my stuff was still on the bench so I could compare how it looks vs yours.

 

Just thinking out loud...is it possible to take the guts out of a RUG transmission and put them inside a HEH transmission case? If so, how do you know what transmission you have?

 

I thought he said that was a T5 he had pictured in thread #16???

As for Toploader 4 speed main cases (RUG/HEH 28 or 31 splined), they are all the same, so long as you have the correct matched gear sets (Input/Countershaft/2nd & 3rd gears) for Close ratio and Wide ratio. The only way you can tell is to open up the lid and count the teeth on 2nd gear, (28T Wide ratio, 31T Close ratio). 1st gears are the same for both Close and Wide ratio, as with reverse, syncro assemblies same too........
You can always put the 4 speed into 1st gear, turn the input shaft 1 turn, if the output turns 2.32 (2 1/3) it is a Close ratio, if it turns 2.78 (2 3/4) it is Wide ratio.
Can not always go by the tag ID, who knows what has been done to any Toploader after nearly 50 years!
David

 

Are the transmission and bell housing from the same car? The reason I ask is the 94 and later bell housing is deeper than the Fox body cars. If you had a Fox trans and a later bell your input shaft would be too short.

 

Thanks you. You help me so much.
Sorry for the confusion.

Now. The car has a top loader 4 speeds. Today it's my daily driver.


I bought the T5. The pictures are from T5. I wanna swap T5.

And use the same clutch/flywheel and Z linkage.
The short input shaft in picture is from T5.
Tag from T5 :
F0ZR-7003-AA REP-AV
13-52-199 61440 F2503


The T5 bellhousing E3ZP-6394-AA



Input shaft has the same splined as my top loader. This is a used clutch.


I counted 28. So think its ok


**The problem. Swap the T5. And the input shaft is too short to reach the pilot bearing?

They are from diferents cars.

Yes its a T5.

So, I can put the top loader input shaft, inside the T5?


I open the T5 only to clen it. .

*This picture its not mine. I found on web, and ask you if something similar its safe and posible. Or change the input shaft (I want the cheapest solution)

 

Tag # 1352-199 is a 90-91 Mustang 5.0 T5

Bellhousing casting # E3ZP-6394-AA is not correct I’m assuming you mistakenly typed a P when it’s actually a R.
Bellhousing casting # E3ZR-6394-AA is 1983-1985 Mustang 5.0 T5 bellhousing, and is compatible with the 1352-199 transmission you have.

NO, the Toploader input will NOT fit in the T5.

With the bellhousing removed from your T5 put a straight edge (not a piece of wood, I use a carpenters square) on the input shaft and measure to the face of the transmission (where the bellhousing bolts on) this will give you the input shaft length.

They are as follows
T5 input shaft lengths
7.85 / 94 up 5.0 & 3.8
7.18 / 79-93 5.0
7.41 / 4cyl

 

As mentioned in thread above, Toploader input will not fit, it looks like the end of the T5 input snout was ground down shorter, all the inputs I have seen have centering hole....
You can try contacting www.moderndriveline.com, talk to Bruce, he might be able to help you out with a correct input shaft for your T5, so you can use it.
David

 

If he measures the input like I mentioned above, I will be able to help him out.

 

You right.

I think something is wrong . 6.8 inches approx.