What Bellhousing do I need to buy to go with My 4 speed

Ok this is starting to drive me stark raving crazy. I order a bellhousing from a guy with the casting numbers C5AA-6394-B which from what I found designate a 1969 - 1973 302, I specifically asked the guy I bought the bellhousing from if it would work for my application and when I get the bellhousing it is for a 164 tooth flywheel.

Does anyone know for 100% sure, Will a bellhousing with the casting numbers C5DA-6394-A work to hook my 157 tooth flywheel 302 to my 4 speed toploader?? Those casting numbers are designated for a 6 bolt 289. Is a 6 bolt 289 a 157 tooth flywheel?

Are these bellhousing designated by 10 -1/2 inch bellhousing and 11 inch bellhousing or is it by the flywheel teeth or what? Because there is another person selling the bellhousings completely remanufatured and he has them listed as 10 -1/2 and 11 inch bellhousing, the 11 inch that he has listed has the same casting numbers as the one I bought that DOESN"T work, the 10 -1/2 has the casting numbers for a 6 bolt 289??

I am lost, probably going to get stuck for the price of this incorrect bellhousing and still do not know what is the correct bellhousing to order?

Can someone HELP. Maybe someone with the 4 speed and 157 tooth flywheel can tell me what your casting numbers on your bellhousing are?

 

a 164 tooth bellhousing will not work with a 157 tooth flywheel....the starter will not engage

the 164 tooth bell and flywheel were designed for the 11" clutch i think, while the 157 was designed for the 10"....


i just got that '73 parts car i posted about and it's manual. if need be, i can give you the numbers from the bellhousing because all mavericks came 157 tooth (or it's for sale if u need it, see my ad in classifieds)

 

I have a nearly new 164T 28oz imbalance flywheel if interested. only a couple hundred miles on it ... Let me know if interested .. might be easier since you already have the bellhousing.

I am running a 164T housing and flywheel on my Grabber with the Toploader.

 

If I hadn't already bought a brand new High dollar 10 inch clutch that is what I would have done. But the other problem is that not only did the guy send the wrong bellhousing but the blockplate that he sent doesn't match the bellhousing. He sent a 164 tooth bellhousing and a 157 tooth block plate AND to top the whole works off the clutch fork is missing the piece/pin/spring that holds it to the fulcrum. So the whole damn setup is mismatched and missing pieces. I am pretty sure I am going to send it back to him on Thursday, Idunno with everything being so jacked up I just don't want to send it back to him and him not refund my money then I am out the money and have nothing to boot.

 

I know that the 164 tooth bell wont work with a 157 tooth flywheel that is why I am mad about the whole dang thing. I specifically asked the guy if the bellhousing would work for a 1973 Maverick 302 V8 and a 4 speed toploader and he emailed me back and say yes it would work. I took his word for it because #1 he has sold a bunch of bellhousing so I figured he knew what he was talking about and #2 the casting #'s matched up to a 69-73, 302 so I figured he knew that the bellhousing was a 157 tooth flywheel so it would work on a maverick.

If you do still actually have a bellhousing that was in a maverick with 157 tooth flywheel and it will work with my 4 speed toploader I will probably end up buying it from you. I have an email in to a person that is selling remanufatured bellhousings that have been cleaned up real nice and have a new clutch fork and new rubber boots and the whole 9 yards just like new. That person has listings for 10-1/2 inch bellhousing and 11 inch bellhousing I am trying to find out if the 10-1/2 is for the 157 tooth and the 11 inch is for the 164 tooth. As soon as I find out if that person knows one way or the other I will let you know for sure about buying yours.

Just to let you know, I need the matching block plate AND a good working clutch fork with the bellhousing if I buy the one you have for sale

 

back to one of my original questions. Does anyon know if a bellhousing for a 6 bolt 289 will work for a 157 tooth 302? The casting numbers for the 6 bolt 289 bellhousing are C5DA-6394-A

 

Looks like if from what I can decipher from the Ford MPC.

The 302 Maverick and Comet bellhousing with engineering number D2OZ-6392-A is the service replacement part for the early 289 Mustangs. Those were 157 tooth.
1968 looks like the year for the jump to the 164 tooth flywheel.

 

well i know everything is matching because everything is still in the car, lol. engine, trans, clutch, clutch fork, bell, plate, you name it. i should have it all out and tore apart later this week so just lemme know whenever you can cause i have them posted up for sale in the classifieds and everything

 

The "5 bolt" vs "6 bolt" 289 is NOT in any way related to the size of the flywheel.
It refers to the fact that the bellhousing bolt pattern changed on small block Fords in 1965. The early pattern had 5 bellhousing bolts, while the later pattern that carried on into 302/351w/351c had 6 bolts. You can have a 6 bolt bell in either flywheel flavor. So that doesn't help you.

Most 157t bells are aluminum. Not all, but most. Especially as you get into the 70s and on ALL Maverick 3 speeds.

I suggest you get a Maverick specific 3 speed bell. Problem solved.
That way you KNOW you are getting a 157t bell.

 

For future reference in case you're looking. Check out the MustangTek site. They are a pretty good reference for most old Ford parts relating to the engines and driveline. While not specific to the Maverick or Comet. http://www.mustangtek.com/Bellhousings/Bellhousings.html - Matt

 

Have you tried that bell you have on for size?
It is a car 289 bell with the proper 6 bolts for 302/351, so it is unlikely to be a 164t bell. 289s didn't get the big bell unless it was in a truck, and those bells are "C5T". I don't believe "C5D" is for a truck.

 

The clutch fork just has a piece of safety wire holding it against the fulcrum IIRC. Once it is assembled, the fork can't go anywhere. Is the fulcrum still in the bell you have on hand? You may just have to send the block plate back for the correct one, or find one locally.

 

The 157 tooth bell came mostly on pre '65 T-10 Falcons and 289s,very seldom will you see a 157 on a Top Loader 4sp,(from the factory)I have found them on early 260/289 3 speed Fairlanes,I have one left stashed away,I"ll see if I can get a part# for you( I really don't want to part with mine.)I have all the part #s written down somewhere because I have done both ways,289 ,157 with T-5 bell and 5sp.and new style 302 ,157,with small bell,10", and Top Loader,

 

i agree....


but the bell that's in my mav is cast....

 

All the 157 bells I"ve had were aluminun,but then you know Ford ,there's always one year that the do it different!