Oil Pan/Timing Cover/Oil Dipstick Replacement and Relocation?

So I'm replacing a timing cover with a reverse flow water pump, car was to a serpentine belt setup, and with a power steering car it needs a reverse flow water pump. Now the oil dipstick is in the timing cover, and I can't find any reverse flow timing covers with the oil dipstick in the cover, which means I'll have to change the oil pan. What front sump oil pan with the oil dipstick in the pan will work with our cars?

 

They are reverse ROTATION water pumps, coolant flows in same direction reguardless.

AFAIK there are no stock front sump pans with dipstick in pan. Most(not all) covers have the boss for dipstick, just not drilled. For most part all covers are same, only trucks used a dedicated reverse rotation cover. None of the 5.0 Mustang or T-Birds I've owned had a real reverse rotation cover. Do note though, the later covers are approx 3/8" shallower than early covers. There is belt misalignment if matching pulleys are not used.

Also the '86-'91 Crown Vic & Grand Marquis used a dual serpentine belt setup with std rotation pump(rear sump pan, had one of those as well). Cover is same as single belt, reverse rotation setup.

 

The current 1986 or so Mustang water pump that is on the car is a clockwise rotation port but a reverse rotation pump. Problem is, is that the water pump sticks out further than a standard reverse rotation pump with reverse rotation ports, and with the new 3 row radiation and electric fan is too close to the pulley for comfort.

The timing cover, like so: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-635-100 , is not embossed for a dipstick.

So I'm just looking for a pan, as I don't believe there's such thing as a reverse rotation timing cover with a dipstick, and I've done plenty of digging. And apparently the pans don't exist either and I may just be using my current pan, and welding a dipstick flange to it. Well, the pans do exist, but they're name brand "performance" oil pans and around $300, was just looking for a dorman replacement pan.

 

AFAIK all std and reverse rotation pumps(other than noted) are same length. The 5.0 '94-'95 Stang, '91-'93 T-Bird & Sploders used a shorter, thread on fan and unique timing cover.

Only difference I've found in other pumps, reverse rotation pumps have a slightly wider bolt pattern to retain pulley & fan. Had picts posted till photoslopbucked crapped on us.

 

I think when the reverse rotation pumps came into play, the timing covers no longer had the dipstick boss as it was moved to the block itself on the driver's side I believe.

 

The dipstick moved to rear of pan with introduction of Fox bodied Fairmont in 1978. At that point the flood gate for those chassis opened, Mustang, Granada, small LTD etc. Panther chassis debuted in 1979 with rear sump & 1980 F-Series also got a new chassis. Sooo within a couple years, Ford switched totally from front sump to rear.

Undrilled bosses for dipstick were still on cover in the mid '80s, got a couple around here from serpentine Mustang & T-Bird engines. At some point it was eliminated.

 

I may have what you're looking for. I have several covers left over. As I recall the 5.0 Mustangs in the late 80's used the same reverse timing cover as the pickups. Certainly the 93 T-Bird and the 94-95 Stangs's had dedicated reverse covers, albeit the same cover used later on the V8 Exploders and Mountaineers. I'll check what I have when I get home.

 

I have two late model 5.0 engines, one from a Fox Body Mustang and one from 94 Bronco. Both have the undrilled boss, the Bronco engine I know to be original and unmolested. The other has been stroked at some point but it did come from a 90 Mustang for whatever that's worth.

 

Krazy Comet: I know for a fact that my pump has a longer snout compared to the other reverse rotation pump, as I had purchased both, before realizing the ports on the timing covers were different. And to your other comment, none of those were reverse rotation water pumps though right?

Jasonwthompson: It looks like you're correct, and I may have to alter a pan for a dipstick, luckily I have a couple of pans lying around along with a grinder and welder.

Baddad: You ever look to see if any of those reverse timing covers had an undrilled boss?

RMiller: That information is helpful if I ever need a timing cover, but those models didn't have a reverse rotation water pump, and the ports on the timing covers are different from clockwise and counterclockwise rotation pumps.

 

Both those engines have a reverse rotation pump.

 

RMiller: My bad, the foxbody mustang is the waterpump I'm using right now, which has a clockwise rotation port, but counterclockwise rotation waterpump. Which this pump has a longer snout that the proper counterclockwise rotation pump I purchased, which is the sole reason of switching out the timing covers. I'm not sure what year they switched the timing cover though, I just read on a forum to use the foxbody waterpump for my application, and went with that information to o'reilly's. Miss read '94 as '84, sorry about that one. I found a '94 bronco timing cover on ebay, but noticed it has no fuel pump boss, which is no problem, I just didn't take that into account when planning on a timing cover replacement. I take it all vehicles with counterclockwise rotation pumps had electric fuel pumps, as they're all efi engines around those years to my knowledge?

 

i have a '99 ford racing crate motor that came with a stamped steel front sump pan with a boss
toward the front passenger side for a dip stick. these motors were represented as being a direct
replacement for the explorer of that period. i used a lokar dip stick.

 

Sorry I took so long, but I finally had time to dig out what I had. I thought I still had one reverse timing cover but musta got rid of it. I have three late 60's-to mid 70's covers, two have the early pre 70 timing pointers still attached that works with the passenger side inlet pumps. Anyone wants one, they're all for sale $25 (each) + the ride from 70570. I think they'll fit in a USPS larger flat rate box.

 

3154tm: So your pan just had a closed boss for the dipstick tube that you drilled it out, and used a lokar dipstick like such? https://www.jegs.com/i/Lokar/625/ED-5004/10002/-1

baddad457: Way to hijack my thread selling stuff! Haha, just kidding, I don't mind. Thanks for looking for a timing cover for me anyway!

 

Baddad, I sent you a PM about a timing cover.