no downshift no upshift !!

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  1. BuckNaked

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    1973 Comet 250 inline 6, 3 speed (C4) auto column........
    Car starts out in 3rd and stays in 3rd, when decelerating it doesn't downshift.
    I can shift it manually upshift and downshift.
    What can be the problem ???
     
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    bad or disconnected vac hose to modulator valve or bad modulator valve.
    did it ever work?
     
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    I don't know I just bought the car
     
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    If modulator vacuum is disconnected trans will not upshift. With that condition, can manual shift 2nd and maybe shift to high around 70+ mph.

    In 50+ years I've never seen a C4 that is "hung" in high gear.
     
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    So I crawled/slid under car vacuum hose connected to modulater but I can't see where it goes but low and behold there's a hose just hanging there by modulater.
    My question is where does the hose connect to from modulater, manifold, carb. ?
     

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    The hose will connect to a spot on the manifold that has constant vacuum, or any place below the base of the carb. Some modulators had 2 ports to hook hoses too and perhaps yours was one of those and somebody replaced the modulator with a single port type. It looks as they may have ran another hose to replace a bad hose and just left the old hose in there. Have you checked to see where the hose that is connected to modulator goes now ?

    At any rate plug the hose that is just hanging as it may be a vacuum leak
     
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    There is a steel line connecting to manifold and appears to run back to tyranny, right before the bend down along firewall there was another steel line uncapped so I ran a hose from it to a capped vacume port on vacume advance and still same issue, as far as the hose on modulater it disappears. Behind the tyranny cross member. So I can not detect where the steel line goes or the hose from modulater. I think what I will do is run a hose from modulater directly to manifold and see if there's a difference. If there is none then can I assume the modulater is bad ?
    I really appreciate any and all of your input !
    By any chance can you tell me what years are compatable for instrument cluster ? I assume it's 71 thru 73 ?
     
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    From what I have read about the clusters 71-73 will work but some have said late 73 models it changed to a cluster with a different size plug ? If I was to search for one I would look for a 71-73 .

    My knowledge with transmissions and how they function is very limited so to avoid giving you bad advice I will deffer the answer to that question to more experienced people. I do know that if you take the hose off of the modulator and it has transmission fluid in it then it is bad . Personally I do not think it is a problem with the modulator and you will end up having to pull the pan and possible change the valve body but that is just a guess, hopefully a wrong guess.

    Good luck and keep us posted on what you find so we can all learn something
     
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    I'm down with that !!! Its all about being honest and sharing knowledge and information with each other !!!!
     
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    So quick question is the kick down vacume or linkage type ??
     
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    Kick down is a linkage rod but it controls pressures in the transmission
     
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    how many miles on transmission? did this problem just start out of the blue?
     
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    I have no idea just bought the car
     
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    do you know if it has been sitting for a long time? sometimes if you baby it you can drive out some of the quirks...:yup:
    keep an eye on all the fluids. good luck
     
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    I have no idea and need to find out and correct issues it's going to be my daily driver....
     

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