Been thinking about putting a low miled 5.4 litre f 150 engine into my 72 grabber(engine and trany) just wondering if anyone else has tried and if they have any tips. Not sure if its even pysical possible as i dont have the 5.4 out yet to measure it up. Ive been trying to find a website with engine dimensions with no luck. Any info you experts have for me would be very appreciated thanx.
The 5.4 is physically larger then a 460. A Mustang II front end will be required. A member here has installed a 4.6 '01 Cobra engine in his Maverick. The process will be basically the same for a 5.4. Here is a link to his gallery: http://mmb.maverick.to/gallery/browseimages.php?do=member&imageuser=3046
It is a lot easier to install the 5.8l 351 W! With the weak top end the modular engines have and the total lack of aftermarket parts why would you want to do this? More work, less performance, and a higher failure rate..... it just doesn't sound like a good swap to me. Other folks will have other opinions... It won't change mine but it might change yours.
im with paul a modular is a good motor if you want to be that "hey look what i got" guy, but other then that you could have alot more for alot less without major surgery, cutting and chopping to the car, a 289-302, 351W or 351C are really your only options for a v8
modular engines has a growing aftermarket, they are super smooth on top end , but pushrod is the way to go...
It's amazing how you always hear of mod motors having a higher failure rate (says WHO?), yet 4.6L powered vehicles with 300,000+ miles outnumber basically ALL other vehicles in the junkyard with the same mileage by 20 to 1, and that number is probably being conservative. I was at the junkyard today, and saw several Crown Vic's with 250k and 300k+, and one with 438,000. I have countless pictures of these cars, including one with 502,000. That was a '95 Crown Vic. I ran a carfax on it, it was retired from the Georgia State Patrol in 2001 with over 200,000 on it, then ran as a Taxi. The car had been wrecked 7 times, two of which resulted in blown air bags, had been totaled once and rebuilt. Apparently it was junked when it failed emissions in January 2007. Depending on what year truck that 5.4 came from, it is probably 300 horse right from the start... replace those truck cams with something decent and you'll have a real nice running motor, that just looks undeniably bad ass in the little Maverick engine bay. Obviously, the easier and cheaper way out is to go with a Windsor based engine.
It is already a 302 car i would like to know if anyone has the actuall dimensions of a 302 and a 5.4.I'm a nubie so maybe this is a dumb question but what is the difference with a mustng 2 front end?
Thanx for all the input by the way guys and i have owned a couple modulars and deff can not complain about reliability,besides the spark plug changes are gonna be easier then old 302 haha
A 302 is a small block. A 460 is a big block. A 460 will not fit between the shock towers of our cars (a 351W is the largest engine that will). The 5.4 is bigger then the 460. So basically, there isn't an ice cube's chance in hell it will fit between the shock towers. So you have to get rid of them. The Mustang II front end does not incorporate shock towers as part of the design of the suspension. The suspension does incorporate rack and pinion steering and disc brakes. As the name implies, this suspension design is what originally came on the '74-'78 Mustang II (and Pintos). People started adapting the suspension to all sorts of vehicles years ago, and now days there is a relatively large aftermarket for the suspension, you can buy complete kits in nearly any configuration you could imagine, ready to weld in. Installing a Mustang II suspension requires welding and fabrication, and is not for someone inexperienced. Here is a link showing someone installing a Rod & Custom Mustang II suspension in a '65 Falcon Ranchero, you can get a sense of the work involved. http://loco4fomoco.com/MII.html
The new ford motorsport cat. has the sizes of the motors listed in the back, try giong to their web site and you can down load it.
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really my 2000 f-150 has 210000k on it and the last thing i did to it is change spark plugs 80000k ago maybe im just lucky. Is it a ticking time bomb?
The cars in those junkyards are crushed on a regular basis and new ones are brought in. This has been a constant thing I have seen for the past 4 years I have been going there, with literally thousands of cars having gone through there. I have countless pictures of these cars showing 300,000 + on the clock. I have seen one with over 700,000 on it. The 502,000 one is the highest I have pictures of. Most of them are Crown Vics that were Police cars and Taxis. Your average 302 you see in the yard has 150-250k on it, with the vast majority I see being somewhere between 150-200k. Your average Honda, Toyota or Nissan has around 250k on it in these yards. My aunt has a 1997 Expedition that she bought new. It has 264,000 miles on it right now. The only problem she has ever had was the heater core and radiator going out. The truck still runs great. The intakes cracking is a well known problem. We had a '97 Thunderbird which had the intake replaced free of charge by Ford under the recall. That car was traded in with over 150,000 miles and still ran perfectly fine. My grandpa's 2005 F150 XLT with the 5.4 is rated at 300 hp and 365 tq according to Ford. It just hit 95,000 miles and the only thing he has ever done is change the oil and air filter..
