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  1. njnjtek

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    When I changed my timing… I noticed a strong fuel smell from the exhaust… Is it my timing? Or is it my air fuel mixtures on the carb?

    Also I have a white substance in my oil... what does that mean?
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    WHITE STUFF

    That white stuff in your oil might be water getting into the oil. That could ruin your engine. You need to get that checked right away. DONT DELAY. It could be as simple as a head gasket or worse a cracked head. If you have it checked and it's nothing then cool but it's not worth the risk. You could be getting water on your crank and rods and that will cause rust and all kinds of bad things.

    The gas smell could be an indication of other things in this case. 1st step get that checked.

    Chris
     
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    When u say simple I say first time… so my head gaskets… what else is involved in removing old gaskets and getting new ones in? If I’m that far into the engine what else should I look at…. I need a fix soon and fast because this is my daily driver.

    I’m I going to have to remove the rockers and the valve springs?

    This would be the first time taking the heads off...
     
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    The colour is white and it’s always there when I check the oil after its been sitting overnight… it also got really warm and then cold again(weather) …. The discoloration is definitely white and not a mocha brown colour…

    Now what do I do?


    So the carb needs to be adjusted? What do i Adjust ?

    sounds like ive got some problems ahead of me.....:(
     
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    all in all good advice

    Dont jump to any conclusions. Just get it checked by someone that is good with engines. The suggestions made are all good. Being that I can't see the engine I can't say that is why I suggested that you have someone check it. If there is a crack in the head, changing the gasket won't help. You really need someone that knows what they are doing have them check it out. If you have a cracked head and continue to drive it, you risk having larger problems. Even if it's just water in the oil from condensation, that can cause rust on the crank. You need to find out exactly what you are dealing with and go from there. Jumping to any conclusions at this point would be well pointless. We could give you a list of 20 things to check and still without being able to see and hear and smell, there is a lot that we could miss.

    GO to a good mech.

    Just my 2cents worth.
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    Change the oil and filter immediately. Then daily check the oil level and condition. Winter conditions can accumulate some moisture in the engine. I have seen this often. You ruel dumping is probably unrelated and would be suspect to something in the carb, float, choke, etc.
    Dan
     
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    forgot to mention

    I am sure that Dan just forgot to mention this, but if you do that, the mech will not be able to tell exactly what is going on. So be sure to keep an eye on it.

    Its a hard spot, you really don't want to drive it that way for fear of problems, but since you are not sure what to do, you need someone with knowledge in that area to look at it.

    Changing the oil may be all it needs. However if you change the oil and start driving it and it is a crack in the head it will only get worse. Sometime it happens fast. I have seen it happen while driving.

    My suggestion is get it to a mech somehow. If you have to have it towed or a friend come over or drive it to a shop that is close by. I work part time at a machine shop doing heads, and I can tell you that if you don't, and its a crack, your going to have trouble.

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    how will I know if it gets worse?
     
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    Depends

    Well, that depends if you continue to drive like suggested. You might see a temp rise or oil in your water or milky oil(which you have) and you might even start to see steam out the exhaust.

    If you change the oil and drive and see it again your no better off than before. You will have only confirmed that you have a problem. You said its white that is pretty much water in the oil. How it got there is the big concern. Although its possible that water can condense, I have never seen it do that to the degree it would take to make the oil milky. Others might have. I can't say that. To make the oil change to a milky color will take a fair amount of water. That is the only reason that I say for you to go to a shop.

    If its white and milky looking you have to get that taken care of immediatly. If you don't, your oil isn't doing its job since its been contaminated however the water got there. With that in mind if the head is bad, the heating and cooling only causes the crack to get larger. The problem will only get worse and caused the rest of the engine to go. If the crank gets rusty and goes then you are looking at a complete rebuild. So fixing the problem right is the best solution. Get to a person that can determine the problem. Don't offer information like we said this and that just say I have milky looking oil. could you tell me what it is. What it will cost and how long it would take to repair and get an estimate.

    If at that point you don't like the answers then come back here for more advise. Remember its like taking your car into a dark garage and then the mechanic comes in without a flashlight and you just describe what is wrong. We cant see or touch the car to determine what is wrong. We can only offer advise based on what you tell us. What if we are misinterpreting what you say or you miss a bit of critical information. Is that worth your engine?

    Get it to a shop!!!
    That is the best advise.
     
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    The oil is not completely milky… it has spots of milk mixed with regular oil
     
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    njnjtek; sounds like condensation in the oil. Do you just drive for short distances, or do you get the car warmed up. I had that happen to a car once that I only used for short trips. I put a 190 thermostat in it, and it stopped. Might try that. However, I would definitely check what the posters suggested first. Can't be too carefull with things like this. Hope this helps.

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    I had a mechanic reassure me that it was only condensation… so I picked up some fresh oil and a new PCV valve and new oil breather cap… the mechanic told me it probably wasn’t my head gaskets.. because those cars really never had trouble with them… And my car was driven by my Baba, and only has 58 000 miles on it…He also said if I was losing a lot of rad fluid,(which I’m not) that it could be a head gasket…

    Now lets get on to the carb stinking like fuel… after my timing was changed… I changed my idle and noticed a strong fuel odor… I’m a little scared to touch my air- fuel mixtures and, not too sure how to fix the smell of fuel… At least I think its my air – fuel mixture…
    I have to stock 2 barrel Motorcraft 2150…
     
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    I dont know if this has been addressed in this post or not but I have had similar problems with fuel in the oil and it has always been the fuel pump diaphram that developed a hole and was squirting fuel into the pan.... this would be the first place I check. It has happened on 3 vehicles of my own over the years. None were 302's so I dont know if this can be a problem with these motors or not.
     
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    you stated the fuel smell started when you changed timing and idle speed. Is timing set to spec? What is your rpm at idle now? I dont know if either is related to the problem, I am just trying to figure exactly what you did.
    Dan
    ps are you sure you adjusted the idle screw?
     
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    Well the timing is set unofficially , because I’m missing that little plate with teeth on my harmonic balancer… so I pretty much timed it by getting a glass of water to sit as calm as it could on top of my air cleaner… also testing it for hesitation from stop… there is a white line on the bottom that someone painted on…. I guess the problem is where do I place the light to get a correct timing? As far as setting the rpm… I have it set so it doesn’t stall when I start it…

    I’m positive on the location of my idle screw… it controls my throttle cable…
    I don’t have access to these kind of tools where I can check exact specs… what would I need?
     

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