Line lock plumbing

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  1. ESampson

    ESampson Member

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    Just wondering if anyone has got a few pics that are clear which lines go to which holes..i read the instructions and got a little lost lol. pics would be great so i can see clearly where they go to. i have the Hurst roll control if that matters at all.

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    There's nothing complicated about it. The selenoid goes in the front brake line between the master cylinder and the proportioning valve (the thing that's bolted just beneath the hood hinge). The front brake line is the rear most line coming out of the master cylinder (the larger reservoir is for the front brakes). On the solenoid the port marked "in" goes toward the master cylinder. Any unused ports must be plugged.
     
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    Click on my website below, look for linelock in table of contents. There is a pic there.

    On my cell phone otherwise i would hotlink it.
     
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    Line lock should be mounted below master cylinder (so you can bleed air out easily) and after the proportioning valve. Also it is directional, out side goes towards brakes.
     
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    Wrong.

    New NHRA rule states that the line lock must be placed AFTER the proportioning valve. As others have stated......OUT of proportioning valve - INTO line lock solenoid; OUT of solenoid - TO front brakes.

    Simple.:thumbs2:
     
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    I didn't know that. Thanks!
     
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    Just went out and took a picture of mine.............I don't use a proportioning valve because I've got drum brakes on all four corners. I guess when I get the Ranger Master in and the disc brakes I'll have to re-read the new NHRA rules.
     
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    Here is mine...Only thing I would have done differently had I known, was put a couple of loops in the tubing for flex from heat/cool cycles and vibration. But so far, so good.

    [​IMG]
     
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    thanks guys...perfect pic's i appreciate it a lot!...just it was snowing last couple days and now its a down pour of a /snow rain mix...so i'm gonna skip this for now and start assemble the rest engine in my basement this weekend.
     
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    Fish OutOfWater Brian

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    Take your pick:

    Hurst Roll Control
    http://www.loco4fomoco.com/RollControl.pdf

    TCI Line Stop
    http://www.maliburacing.com/linelock/linelock.htm

    I have the Hurst one and its plumbed like system 2 for the front brakes, except I don't have the male branch tee fitting they recommend. I am using a third port on the roll control. One line in, two out. Not sure why they want a tee in there...:huh:
    and my combination valve is the reverse orientation of what was shown.. Where the line closest to the firewall comes out of the master cylinder and enters the combination valve, the two lines adjacent to (above and below) will be remove. One side gets the appropriate plug, the other gets a short new line into the solenoid valve. Out of the solenoid gets reconnected to both existing front brake lines (that you removed from the combination valve)

    And be careful, brake fluid will ruin your paint.
     
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    Brake Fluid--->paint. Yup:yup:

    Notice all the rags under my setup in previous picture...
     
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    The rule states "stock proportioning valve". If you have an adjustable aftermarket unit just put it into the rear brake line as you're supposed to and don't worry about the rule because it doesn't apply to you.
     
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    so can i do it just like scoopers pic? or will i have to bring the lines from the other side to meet NHRA rules.
     
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    Well, don't use Scooper's Willwood master as a model because the chambers are the reverse of your OEM master cylinder. Scott ran from the Master into the linelock, then to the combination valve (which handles proportioning as well) and finally off to the front brakes. Not only does this not satisfy the NHRA rule, but as I look at the plumbing I see another issue: If the line lock is applied in this plumbing arrangement, when you release the brake pedal the combination valve would see the pressure differential between the front and rear brakes. The piston inside the combination valve would slide from the front brake portion to the rear brake portion. This should give you a brake warning light on your dash instruments. That is the whole purpose of the combination valve. To alert you to the fact that you lost pressure on one side of the system. Also I would imagine when the piston shifts it would let a little bit of the pressure off the front brakes. Scott, if you don't see a warning light when you step off the brake pedal with the line locks on, something is wrong. Could be the bulb, the wiring, or the combination valve. Either way I would look into that because this means you will not get the warning when one side of your brakes does fail. (For example a broken brake line).
     

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