Finding TDC 170

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  1. coppercitymt

    coppercitymt New Member

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    Greetings I know this forum is for newer comets but I thought it should be pretty universal, the disturber is out and removed from my 63 comet.

    Can anyone offer me a guide on how to find TDC and install the disturber on this engine and set the timing up so it should be good enough to try to start it? I do have the FSM, but I did not find anything in there about it. Thanks
     
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    Read line #6A) http://1bad6t.com/Maverick/repair/engine_repair_01.html#a
    If you remove all the sparkplugs, this will let you spin the motor easy using the fan for a handle. Put a drinking straw in #1 plug hole and turn the motor over by hand until the straw is at its highest point. You now have the number one piston at top dead center (or close enough to install the distributor). The directions say “crank the motor” it should say “bump the starter for a split second”.
     
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    on the compression stroke!

    Lightly stuff a piece of tissue over the plug hole, as you crank the engine in the proper rotation, the tissue will blow out on the compression stroke.
     
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    Did you have any success on this.
     
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    No I have not done it yet. I am in Montana, and the weather today is total rubbish. Wind blowing & snowing and 20 odd degrees. The nice weather was over the day after I got the car towed here.


     
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    I know what you meam, my project got put on hold because of 8 1/2 inches of snow. now it's 58 out side. But my trans is slipping in my truck. So I am waiting for my shop to call me back to pick up the 74 comet thats the family car. Just keep me informed. My son has a 64 Fairlane . I have the manual to it factory info.
     
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    I used a pencil and just watched how it moved LOL
    Car's been running fine for almost a year now!
     
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    The problem with a pencil or a straw would be ending up 180 degrees out. The tissue is the way to go to make sure your on the compression stroke. I actually use a paper towel or a rag. But I pack it tight so it pops out. I can see the danger of doing it that way tho, it could get into the combustion chamber and then your screwed. Good luck!
     
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    Naaah one good blip on the throttle and it's gone, may get hung in the muffler but it'll burn up...

    You can remove the valve cover and watch the valve action to determine when it's coming up on the compression stroke... When both intake and exhaust are closed on #1, just keep turning the engine till the timing marks are lined up, it's at TDC... If the exhaust valve is closing and intake opening, it's 360* out(180* on the dist), needs another full revolution to be at TDC on the compression stroke...

    Probably not a bad idea to at least look under the valve cover on a engine that has set for several years.. Also squirt a little oil on everything and crank it without spark plugs to build oil pressure before you try to start it... Another thing to be ware of is that the fuel pump diaphragm hasn't ruptured, will let gas into the crankcase and likely ruin the bearings...
     
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    Figuring out if the piston is on the compression is covered in the link I posted. No need to make more work than needed by removing a valve cover or finding a tissue to plug the hole when you can use your finger.
     
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    Finding top dead center

    You can use your finger. Ill use my thumb.lol
     
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    Sure you can use you finger but the point of my post was that it'd be a good idea to look under the valve cover to get some idea of what condition this engine is in... The rockers are no doubt going to be dry after setting for several years...
     
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    good suggestion but wasn't the question he asked...he also should check the water level and trans fluid...air the tires etc. etc....:bouncy:
     

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