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Old 2009-08-24, 21:34   #41
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As of Monday, the U.S. Department of Transportation reported more than 625,000 dealer transactions worth $2.58 billion in rebates.
That's a lot of cars!!!
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Old 2009-08-24, 22:45   #42
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That is amazing, i bet some of those cars are better than my daily driver, i can see a whole generation of cars disappearing more or less over night.
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... but it is over, right? last i saw the news was 630 sayin cash 4 clinkers ends at 8. and that the governments next plan is cash 4 junk appliances.if it is indeed over; good riddance to bad rubbish, and if not, well, nothing unexpected there.
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... but it is over, right? last i saw the news was 630 sayin cash 4 clinkers ends at 8. and that the governments next plan is cash 4 junk appliances.if it is indeed over; good riddance to bad rubbish, and if not, well, nothing unexpected there.
Yeah its over now anywhere from $50 to $200 on a new fridge.. We will be doing this one.
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Imagine if the government would have done this 25 years ago....imagine how many Maverick and Comets would have been scrapped!!!
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REALITY CHECK

FACT: Of the estimated 500,000+ cars taken in and applied for "Clunker" status, the rejection rate has been running about 80%, and the final tally for cars successfully traded in as clunkers is projected to be about 150-200,000, tops.

FACT: New car sales in the United States has been well over 10 MILLION a year (10 million being considered a bad year) So, using the lowball estimate of 10 million cars sold a year covering the "clunker" age range from 1984 to 2001, that means well over 170 MILLION CARS were sold in the U.S. during those years.

Let's see.....at least 170 MILLION minus....ok, let's go ahead and say all 500,000 clunkers are accepted and destroyed.....

that leaves well over 169,500,000 cars potentially STILL being used, available for resale and recycling of all their parts.

One Hundred and sixty nine MILLION, five hundred thousand cars

And that's taking the bare lowest estimate of annual car sales, and a WAY over estimate of clunker's traded in.

165,500,000!!

I'd say there's still plenty of used cars available to people that need an affordable used car, people who need parts, and for used car dealers and salvage yards to not have to worry about going broke and going out of business from their inventory drying up because of the "horrible" clunker program that's "going to wipe out an entire generation of cars!" LMAO!


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Only a complete idiot would turn in a car worth more than the clunker price. Used cars with trade-in values more than $3,500-$4,500 aren't clunkers, their called trade-ins, and they'll still be for sale, and still eventually recycled, all their parts available for re-use. Neither Dealers or the government can force someone to trade-in their $7,000 used car as a $4,500 clunker.

Only an average idiot, but an idiot all the same, would turn a nice car as a "clunker" if he knew he could get more selling it privately. New car sales aren't exclusive to a clunker trade-in, and if you take the time and make the effort to sell your car privately in the local paper, or on ebay or craig's list or something, the dealerships are not going to run out of inventory.....there'll still be plenty of new cars on dealer's lots, and more coming after the clunkers program is long over. If you take the time to advertise your super clean used car and sell it privately for more money than you'd get for it as a clunker, new car dealers aren't going to tell you to get lost, they're not going to say "we don't want your non-clunker money spent on our new cars"!

If alot of the clunkers traded in were more valuable than the $3,500-$4,500 clunker discount, well, then their owners were lazy, stupid, or too anxious to get their car's real value, or all of the above, and deserved to get screwed.

And remember, the government just came up with the program. It wasn't mandatory, no one was forced to turn in their "clunkers" to be able to buy a new car.....it's "success", and the amount of cars "wasted" on it falls completely on the people that turned their cars in. Not the dealers, the government, any political party, or the President.

Personally, if I saw a nice car, like a WS-6 Firebird, or cherry condition, low milage Suburban, or clean Ford Explorer with a strong drivetrain being traded in and "wasted" as a clunker.....I'd yell at the car's owner if I thought it was wrong, wasteful and bad for America and it's economy......I'd stand outside dealerships and rage at the people coming in to trade their "great" cars as clunkers......

not self-righteously whining and screaming on the internet about how evil the government or specific politicians are for coming up with it.

Better yet, I'd realize that for every one clunker traded in and "wasted", there's more than a thousand still out there available to me and everyone else as a used car or source of parts, and not freak out, make a big deal, and spew fear and hate over a horrible problem or evil conspiracy that doesn't even really exist.
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REALITY CHECK

FACT: Of the estimated 500,000+ cars taken in and applied for "Clunker" status, the rejection rate has been running about 80%, and the final tally for cars successfully traded in as clunkers is projected to be about 150-200,000, tops.

FACT: New car sales in the United States has been well over 10 MILLION a year (10 million being considered a bad year) So, using the lowball estimate of 10 million cars sold a year covering the "clunker" age range from 1984 to 2001, that means well over 170 MILLION CARS were sold in the U.S. during those years.

Let's see.....at least 170 MILLION minus....ok, let's go ahead and say all 500,000 clunkers are accepted and destroyed.....

that leaves well over 169,500,000 cars potentially STILL being used, available for resale and recycling of all their parts.

One Hundred and sixty nine MILLION, five hundred thousand cars

And that's taking the bare lowest estimate of annual car sales, and a WAY over estimate of clunker's traded in.

165,500,000!!

I'd say there's still plenty of used cars available to people that need an affordable used car, people who need parts, and for used car dealers and salvage yards to not have to worry about going broke and going out of business from their inventory drying up because of the "horrible" clunker program that's "going to wipe out an entire generation of cars!" LMAO!


Some P.S.'s

Only a complete idiot would turn in a car worth more than the clunker price. Used cars with trade-in values more than $3,500-$4,500 aren't clunkers, their called trade-ins, and they'll still be for sale, and still eventually recycled, all their parts available for re-use. Neither Dealers or the government can force someone to trade-in their $7,000 used car as a $4,500 clunker.

Only an average idiot, but an idiot all the same, would turn a nice car as a "clunker" if he knew he could get more selling it privately. New car sales aren't exclusive to a clunker trade-in, and if you take the time and make the effort to sell your car privately in the local paper, or on ebay or craig's list or something, the dealerships are not going to run out of inventory.....there'll still be plenty of new cars on dealer's lots, and more coming after the clunkers program is long over. If you take the time to advertise your super clean used car and sell it privately for more money than you'd get for it as a clunker, new car dealers aren't going to tell you to get lost, they're not going to say "we don't want your non-clunker money spent on our new cars"!

If alot of the clunkers traded in were more valuable than the $3,500-$4,500 clunker discount, well, then their owners were lazy, stupid, or too anxious to get their car's real value, or all of the above, and deserved to get screwed.

And remember, the government just came up with the program. It wasn't mandatory, no one was forced to turn in their "clunkers" to be able to buy a new car.....it's "success", and the amount of cars "wasted" on it falls completely on the people that turned their cars in. Not the dealers, the government, any political party, or the President.

Personally, if I saw a nice car, like a WS-6 Firebird, or cherry condition, low milage Suburban, or clean Ford Explorer with a strong drivetrain being traded in and "wasted" as a clunker.....I'd yell at the car's owner if I thought it was wrong, wasteful and bad for America and it's economy......I'd stand outside dealerships and rage at the people coming in to trade their "great" cars as clunkers......

not self-righteously whining and screaming on the internet about how evil the government or specific politicians are for coming up with it.

Better yet, I'd realize that for every one clunker traded in and "wasted", there's more than a thousand still out there available to me and everyone else as a used car or source of parts, and not freak out, make a big deal, and spew fear and hate over a horrible problem or evil conspiracy that doesn't even really exist.
Wow, - don't hold back on us. I still say a whole generation of cars will be lost as silly as you may find it- in these silly trade ins, emission testing, the fact that they are lame looking in design (most models but not all), fear that they pollute too much and should go to the bone yard etc, etc, etc. And that is my opinion, thank you very much.
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Well, if your definition of "lost" is ending up in salvage yards, you might be right,.....but that wasn't the point.

One of the biggest complaints about the program was it was "destroying" and wasting perfectly good used parts that could be re-used (recycled) for other cars.

If, as you say, this "generation" of cars is lost from age, emissions, unpopular design, etc. and end up in the junkyard, according to those who think the parts should be available to re-use, that generation of cars is, in fact, not lost...... the ones no longer on the road still serve a pupose, they are still in use and available as parts sources.

What was being insinuated on here by some was that the clunker program was going to be the cause of an entire generation of cars being lost (un-usable, even as parts sources)

I simply pointed out that this is not true. There's still millions of cars from the "clunker" era available, on the road and in salvage yards with parts readily available.

The simple FACT is, the clunker program will actually have little or no significant effect on the availbility of used cars and parts from that "generation"

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Well i guess i have to agree with you on that. Now bare in mind i DO NOT have all the facts here as i am only reading what is being discussed on this thread while up here in Canada we have a program that is some what the same but not nearly as aggressive. The clunkers here just go to the bone yard as far as i know you can still buy them or their parts. I'm just worried this program will get out of hand. But yes there is millions of older cars out there and for what i can see (after seeing the numbers) this program will hardly make a dent. It at first seemed to me that the powers that be were working up to trying to remove all older cars regardless of condition. The numbers that you listed says otherwise, i hope your right.
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I think the news stated that they were estimating around 2 percent of the "clunkers on the roads were turned in during this program? i could've heard wrong. it was in the break room with people chatting, and i was trying to finish my food before going back out on the line. but i believe thats what they said. someone correct me if im wrong please.
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