I4 fule injection setup

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    from someof the research ive done it looks like 1990 and up ford inline 4 engines had an optional or maybe standard EFI setup. since the pre-'90 engines could have had the h/w5200 were the the newer FI throttle bodies made to work with the old intake bolt pattern or did they change it up?

    im just trying to elvauate how hard it would be to get that FI set up onto a ford 6. i know there are a few fox guys here that could probably shead some light on this for me. i couldnt find many details in my own internet searches
     
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    what i came up with for a f/i for the 250 would be take a eec-IV from a 90 4.0 ranger. you would have to weld f/i bungs to your man adapt the t-body and run the sencers to the right spots.then reality hit(BONK I COULD OF HAD A V8)
     
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    Sounds like a lot of work, but I see no reason it couldn't be done. In all seriousness, I think you are onto something! But for the controller (computer, EEC, whatever you wnat to call it) the 4.0 Exploder will probably not be tuned just right, though, it WOULD work to get it up & running. Tuning would have to be done most likely, either with a J3 adapter or even just go as far as building your own EFI (megasquirt).

    Most of the 4 cylinder intake manifolds would have to be modified so severely that you could have just made a completely new manifold. 2.3's are what I am familiar with, and most of those had the outer intake ports "angled" so that all 4 runners came together in a central point, similar to a header. Since they were angled, the exit point of the end runners is shaped weird, as was the port in the head. There was also a 4 "inline" 2.3 turbo manfold, it was a little better but it still had the outer runners angled. I believe some of the Ranger 2.5's had all 4 ports symetrical, but I may be wrong. Even then, they'd have to be cut and modified.

    If it were me and I had the time/money/patience to mess with it, I'd try to duplicate the 4.9 big six intake manifold as close as possible.
     
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    so did the 4's have a removable intake? i thought it would just be a TBI bolted on to where the carb would have been(assumig the 4 im thinking about was pretty much the same design as the 70's 80's models)
     
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    Are you looking to do TBI or EFI? If TBI you could use the I4 stuff and just make an adapter because its not much different than a Carb. If you want EFI then I would think that you could use all the stuff off a 4.9 I6 from a 90ish F150, the only big problem there would be the fuel rail mod. Then you could use the entire computer system with some mods to the dizzi and install all the sensors. Just a thought.:2cents:
     
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    well if the if uses a tbi system that bolts up to the h/w5200 intake bolt pattern that would probably be the easiest way to go about it i woulf think..
     
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    You can get a throttle body from any vehicle you choose, threre are TBI EFI conversion kits out there, that all ya got to do it Hook things up, and put a pump with a return line.. They are programmable by laptop, I was thinking the controller kit wih the wiring was less than 500 dollars. But will operate any TBI. Hope this helps.... look at a 95 ranger,,,, Multi port,, the wiring harness isnt that bad to make, its all electrical, so if the wiring is wrong, it wont run. Sounds so simple dosent it? :hmmm:
     
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    haha yea, i dont think thats the right website... lol

    i was thinking the fox I$ setup would be the best bet since the bolt pattern is the same and also im sure there are alot of 4's sitting around out there on garage floors that were replaced with v8's
     
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    tuning is not that nessessary because the 4.0 is a 250 ci its just that you have to make shure you have the injectors pulse and firing order in the right spot as far as the manifond the 4.0 is a v6 not a inline. fuel rail is not that hard there are a lot of staight 6 out there that are f/i that you could adapt the fuilrail from.can it be done? yes, but is it worth the trouble? the way i see it, the only way it would be worth it is if you wan't to turbo the 250 and in that case, you bet its worth it:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
     
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    i wasnt looking for any high performance. i was just going for the coolness factor of having a FI I6. i would think that the 4.0 probably breaths alot better then a 6 and even tho the displacment is just about the same valve and intake runner size would throw off the tuning, probably making it run too rich. but i guess thats what the comp. is for right?

    i just still have that FI I6 maverick on my mind from a month or 2 back in hotrod. that had me pretty excited but the parts they had listed were a little expensive. a FI 4 seemed like a good canidate to pull stuff that would work depending how it was set up
     
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    WHOOOOOOPS!!!! Sorry bout that! LMAO!! :rofl2: Wrong Kind of injection there,,,
     
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    If somebody could remove that link I put in there, Id be greatful!!
    Thanks and sorry bout that once again!
     

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