After 6 years of looking I've found a T5 and it's tagged 249 so I lucked out a little. Anyway I still have to get the bell to engine plate, flywheel, clutch kit, figure out what I'm going to do about the actuation (was thinking about hydro but haven't decided), posible crossmember, posible driveshaft... I found this diagram online and by looking at it makes me think the origenal driveshaft might work... sents the origenal driveshaft is sapose to work with a toploader anyway Toploader and T5 dimensions [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Transmission[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]A [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]B [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]C [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]D [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]F [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Ford Toploader (small block)[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]6.375 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]13.25 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]25.375 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]n/a [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]5.5 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Ford T5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]6.9 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]14.5 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]24.7 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]15.4 [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]5.5 [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Overal length (A+C)[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2]Toploader: 31.75 in.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=-2][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]T5: 31.6 in.[/FONT][/SIZE] C4 (bellhousing pattern (removable) - 4 Cylinder, Small Block, Big Block) Style A B C D E Pan Fill 24-5/16 16¾ 19½ 5-9/16 N/A Case Fill 30-19/32 18-1/8 20½ 5 9/16 N/A And theres the bell housing dimension I also found Dipstick Location Flexplate Bolt Pattern Bellhousing Depth Converter Type Case Fill 10 ½" - 157 teeth 5 7/8" Case Fill Pan Fill 11 7/16" - 164 teeth 6 1/4" Pan Fill Case Fill 11 7/16" - 164 teeth 6 1/4" Case Fill Driveshaft; so dimensionally a C4 w/157T(assumably) bell is 30.6" long a toploader is 31.75" long and a T-5 is 31.6" long Logic would tell me that if a stock driveshaft works on a C4 and a Toploader than it should also work on a T-5... Logic would also tell me if you have to shorten your driveshaft from a C4 to a T-5 you should also have to do it for a Toploader... Crossmember; front to mount point; C-4 = 20.5 Toploader = 19.625 T-5 = 21.4 Logic on this one would tell me that it woud have to be moved back but that depends on the length of the slot... it's been awhile sents I installed the stock v8 crossmember so I cant remember if the trans mount section is offset from front or back from the chassis mount section and if it is, does it install offset forward or rearward... As far as crossmembers go I haven't seen a single person on here mention a actual verticle measurement... as in take a square and rest the long end on the trans mount pad of the tranny and measure on the short end to the center of the output shaft. If someone had that measurement for a C4 and a T5 that you would have a actual drop if necissary of the center of the crossmember. That way you would retain proper angle and it'll tell weather the crossmember needs to drop or the tunnel needs to be messaged/cut-rewelded... Clutch Actuation; Does anyone know what the necissary/spec fork travel is for a T5 where the cable would go? If I went with hydro that information would be neccisary to figure out what Master Cylinder stroke length, Slave Cylinder stroke length, and Master to Slave bore size ratio... If I was to use hydro I would like to use the old linkage rod hole in the clutch pedal to connect the MC to. And for the slave(pull type) I would like to mount it to the cable hole in the bell housing... Does anyone know of any master slave combos that would work with a T-5 and it's "pull" style bellhousing and fork? perhaps off another vehicle that way I could just run down to the local auto parts store and pick them up? I've been doing alot of research in preperation and haven't come up with much... I wounder why all the internal slave I've found say thay would work on one this or another and not the ford t-5 except for the $350+ ones which is way out of my price range for one part. I wounder what dimensions would tell me if it would work or not... If I did the cable style I was thinking about extending the top of the clutch pedal to a length necisary to actuate the fork... I've seen a kit for mustangs where you bolt on a extention and another where you weld on a sudo-quadrant... the one that bolts on is around $250 and the other I forget but I think it's a little less... Removal and Installation; whats needed to remove the old trans? how high do I need to get the car? do I need to lift the whole car or only the front? Jackstands? Bolt Torque Specs; Does anyone have a online source or know where I can find the bolt torque specs for a T-5? pretty much all the bolt torque specs... when I install the trans I was going to first bolt the bell on than the trans to the bell... and later for fluid change or when I first put it in I was just going to pour it into the shifter location, unless there is another place to do it while the trans is installed? Speedo drive; would the stock speedo cable/drive work on a t-5? I know this is lengthy but I just wanted to cover most of the bases.
I used an adaptor plate to mate the T5 with an old bellhousing, clutch linkage and clutch. I modified the stock crossmember by cutting out the lower center part and welding back together 1 1/2" rearward, the T5 has a bulge in it's belly that the front of the crossmember needs to clear. Had to split the top of the trans tunnel and add sheetmetal to make room for the T5's shifter tower and shift rod tube. Several things affect driveshaft length needed; rear jacked up or front lowered, 8" rear vs. 9" rear. You'll want to invest in an aftermarket shifter, the stock one sucks. This has been covered dozens of times, do a search.
I have read everything I could find under T5 conversion... they all start to run togeather after awhile... although I don't think I've seen one where someone mentioned they were using there 8". Right now my car has a little of that stink bug look due to the need to clear my 255/60R15's I have out back... eventually I would like to make it level with all 4 being the same tires... the 255's would fit if my axle wasn't shifted to one side by close to a half-inch but thats another subject... the driveshaft question would be in relation to stock... relative differances...
