289 vs. 302

Discussion in 'Technical' started by chip_gilkey, Feb 19, 2007.

  1. PaulS

    PaulS Member extrordiare

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle area
    Vehicle:
    1966 Mustang, 1972, 73, 73 and 73 Mavericks
    I know the 302 has a longer stroke and shorter rods....
    I screwed up on the compression height issue - You are correct
    I got the boss 302 mixed up in my mind with the standard 302.
    The Boss 302 has shorter compression height and uses the same length rod as the 289. For some reason I mixed it up in my mind thinking the 302 had a shorter compression height too.
    That was wrong - standard 302 and 289 pistons are interchangeable and the 302 does give up the rod length (all .065") due to its longer stroke.
    5.155 inches for the 289 rod and 5.090 for the 302.
    289 ratio is 5.155/2.87 = 1.796 302 ratio is 5.090/3.0 = 1.697 just under six percent difference. It probably loses some of the power over the 289 because the slight angular difference of the two rods but gains much more with the 4.4% increase in cubic inches and the longer torque arm (4.5%) of the crank.
     
  2. timers

    timers Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2005
    Messages:
    313
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    75
    Location:
    richardson tx
    Vehicle:
    1974 maverick
    ya paul i did the math on that to, good for you to step up. now i have six months to put the xmas tree together can,t do it
     
  3. PaulS

    PaulS Member extrordiare

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,858
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle area
    Vehicle:
    1966 Mustang, 1972, 73, 73 and 73 Mavericks
    Tree as in drag racing? or presents and Santa?
     
  4. ford84stepside

    ford84stepside Lone Wolf

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,038
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    132
    Location:
    Berry Alabama
    Vehicle:
    1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe
    OK, I've got a question here......I have a engine I traded for recently, was told it was a 289 from a 67 Fairlane. It has a D5 block casting, which I assume is a 302, so I know it is not original to the Fairlane. The crank though, is a three bolt front pulley, which should be a 289, right? So what is it? A 302 or a 289? :huh:
     
  5. T.L.

    T.L. Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2002
    Messages:
    4,187
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Southern Colorado
    Vehicle:
    '73 Maverick 2-door, V-8
    It's definitely not original. One way to tell is to pull the pan and look at the casting numbers on the rods. I don't know what year Ford went to the 4-bolt pulley cranks, but if it's a 289 crank, it's a 289...
     
  6. baddad457

    baddad457 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2007
    Messages:
    5,861
    Likes Received:
    141
    Trophy Points:
    171
    Location:
    Opelousas La.
    Check the crank numbers too. Ford went to the 4 bolt damper in the 70 model year. 3 bolt damper can be either a 289 or a 302.
     
  7. bmcdaniel

    bmcdaniel Senile Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2002
    Messages:
    6,822
    Likes Received:
    681
    Trophy Points:
    318
    Location:
    York. PA
    Vehicle:
    '70 Maverick Grabber
    Yep, check the numbers cast into the crank's front counterweight. 2M =289, 2MA=302.
     
  8. RegL404

    RegL404 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2004
    Messages:
    189
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    58
    I believe 1M and 1MA is 289, as 2M and 2MA is 302.
     
  9. mcknight77

    mcknight77 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2004
    Messages:
    347
    Likes Received:
    25
    Trophy Points:
    102
    Location:
    Boise, ID
    Vehicle:
    74 Mav drag car, 1970 Maverick, 1971 Bronco, 66 Nova, 67 Ranchero
    Pull it apart and check. It could be (gasp!), a 302 block with 289 crank, rods, and pistons. I wonder, if it is, would it be better than a 289 block with 302 crank, rods, and pistons?

    [​IMG]
     
  10. bmcdaniel

    bmcdaniel Senile Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2002
    Messages:
    6,822
    Likes Received:
    681
    Trophy Points:
    318
    Location:
    York. PA
    Vehicle:
    '70 Maverick Grabber
    Yeah, I think your right. The old memory ain't what it used to be. :rolleyes:
     
  11. bmcdaniel

    bmcdaniel Senile Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2002
    Messages:
    6,822
    Likes Received:
    681
    Trophy Points:
    318
    Location:
    York. PA
    Vehicle:
    '70 Maverick Grabber
    Actually in 1968 when Ford was making the transition from 289s to 302s you didn't know what combination of parts you were gonna get. Blocks could be either and rotating assemblies could be either depending on when the different factories ran out of old parts and started using new.
     
  12. ford84stepside

    ford84stepside Lone Wolf

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,038
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    132
    Location:
    Berry Alabama
    Vehicle:
    1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe
    Correction: Block is a D10E, not D5 as previously stated. Rods are also D10E. Only number I found on crank was on rear counterweight, either an 3 or an 8, hard to tell. I'm thinking now, 302, with an early 3 bolt crank, what do ya'll think?
     
  13. baddad457

    baddad457 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2007
    Messages:
    5,861
    Likes Received:
    141
    Trophy Points:
    171
    Location:
    Opelousas La.
    That sounds like 351W numbers.
     
  14. ford84stepside

    ford84stepside Lone Wolf

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,038
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    132
    Location:
    Berry Alabama
    Vehicle:
    1947 Lincoln Zephyr Coupe
    No, it's a 289 or 302. 351 is taller and wider.
     
  15. bmcdaniel

    bmcdaniel Senile Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2002
    Messages:
    6,822
    Likes Received:
    681
    Trophy Points:
    318
    Location:
    York. PA
    Vehicle:
    '70 Maverick Grabber
    Yeah, if the rods have a 71 casting code it's gotta be a 302.
     

Share This Page