going NHRA Stock Eliminator racing. Need your help.

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  1. iraceitall

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    And cheating won't last long if a guy tries. If you win, you get torn down. Qualify #1 (furthest under your class index)? Teardown. Set a new elapsed time record? Yep. Show up, and yes random teardowns occur too. One would be amazed the lengths you can go within the rules, and in the higher (faster) classes they do. The lower classes seem to be more tame in this department, as less often you run heads up. It is basically bracket racing unless another car shows up in your alphabetical class, then you run heads up. Last time I checked throughout the nation there is bare 50 cars in U/SA. Odds are slim of meeting another. So as long as it will run faster than the index, you can go racing.
     
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    Truthfully, there were no Mavericks that I can remember in any of the SS classes because they couldn't be competitive. I ran SS/IA with my NHRA factored 275hp 327 Camaro............and my index was in the mid to high 10's back then. Ford was really not involved in the lower classes, only AA/F, Funnies, and the higher SS classes with the Mustangs.
    When I first starting racing SS/IA.............there were 30 Chevys to every Ford at the strip..................Chevys really paid the way for NHRA back in the early years............and every year you would get re-factored.
     
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    Even when you get caught.............you're just bending the rules a little, not really cheating:rofl2:
     
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    Thanks guys - To be clear, NHRA doesn't make a big deal about the year as long as it looks pretty damn close to what you're claiming. What's paramount to them are the engine blueprint specifications that THEY set. If you were claiming some body that had obvious aerodynamic advantages then you'd get tossed. But NHRA goes to the basics here. Meet the weight requirement, use the engine parts and dimensions they specify, and you're good to go.

    I haven't bought this car yet. Who knows, I might just find an actual 75. But it's all good.

    And to the guy who mentioned HP ratings from the factory and a Chiltons manual, none of that matters. When you choose a Class to race you look up the combination in the NHRA rule book and see what THEY say the Hp is. NHRA refactors almost all engines. Most higher, but sometimes lower. Evidently someone requested the rating be dropped on these 2 bbl 302's, (which you can do twice a year,) because this "gift" has just surfaced in the last year or so.

    It's going to be nuts as there seems to be a few of these cars being built right now. Because it's so inexpensive to build, and a pal is going to help do the heavy lifting, I thought we might join the fray and have some fun. Maybe the moderator can pop this whole thread over to the "Build" section. Let me know, or I'll just start another thread. :drive:
     
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    The HP is only factored by your friendly NHRA board, and for 73 it is 138hp.............no more, no less. 1977 is 137hp..........but it is interesting that NHRA lists a Canfield, AFR, or Edelbrock aluminum head as a replacement for the stockers.................go figure. Back in the day we had to run stock heads, valves, intake, and carb..........................those were the days.
     
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    I remember when Ricky Smith was running his CountryShindig Maverick in the early 80s(351c powered 4spd),don`t remember his class but he was in the IHRA.Car went 10.18 @ 132,won the championship 2yrs in a row,(may have been late 70s),they hit him w/ xtra weight so he moved up to Pro Stock.He ran the circuit,all the big meets east of the Mississippi,& he was very popular but he drove a ford & the chevy guys got tired of him putting them on the trailer.Saw him run it several times at Rockingham NC along w/ the Mustang 2 he built for Pro Stock,he was good in his day.So I figured the Nhra probably did the same thing to the guys running Mavericks over there.
     
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    I think I got it now...
    enter that class...build a car outside the rules (that can beat all the other cars)...run the race, just make sure ...you don't win...or you will be torn down and disqualified...:thumbs2:
     
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    Frank,

    You are like a pitbull chomping on a steak ... not gonna' let it go ...

    To recap .... NHRA wants the cars to meet a structural and appearance standard. They want it accurate to what the car should look like. It does not necessarily have to start out as such. It will need to have the same type of front suspension as original, and some other key basic items, but it will pass otherwise.

    The main thing that they look at is factory manifold and carb, a similar cam and you build the rest of the car around those restrictions.

    You can lighten the car up and move up a class, or weigh it down and go down a class.

    I really wish you would let up on pointing a finger, screaming "cheater, cheater, cheater". It's not very friendly. Especially when you only have a vague concept of the topic here.
     
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    Frank, please grab an NHRA rulebook before ticking off those of us who race these cars. Hell, send me your address and I will send you one! The class is called Stock, but that doesn't mean bone-stock and go. Not even in the old Junior Stock days of the 60's was this accurate. After you have chosen a car and class, the only real modifications are cam (stock lift but any duration), converter, gear, headers, bolt-on traction devices, and slicks. There is no gutting the interior out besides sound deadener, radio and heater box. They can teardown at any time, whether you win or not as well. I don't understand what exactly your problem is with the class?
     
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    Those heads are for Super Stock, the wording in the class guide is iffy, according to my division tech guy.
     
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    Welcome to the forum.:Welcome:
     
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    not a racer...just trying to understand why everyone that does it likes it.
    so if you have a...rule book...and build outside it and get disqualified what do you call this that you intentionally did...:huh:
    why can't you just build the best by the book and win? what is the...book...for?
     
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    Frank, you have to look at the rule book the same way you view the Federal Tax Code. They both contain loopholes and vague language that a smart person takes advantage of. The gray areas are only illegal if the sanctioning body clarifies the rule. I think they keep it that way so they have the option to even things up if need be for closer competition.
     
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    Sounds like the NHRA rule book is very similar to the sanctions bodies I used to run time attack with. You don't want to break the rules, you want to bend them to fit and paint them to match. It's like when you tell your kid they can have a piece of cake. You didn't specify how much they could, only a piece. Would they be wrong for taking half of it, ehhh maybe. But in the end since you didn't specify they technically didn't break the rules.
     

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