I hate snow too I would rather be driving my mav, than driving a transit bus, something about 40' of metal going sideway's, I am glad of driving a paratransit van, where I work they don't believe in chains, I wish they were the ones driving them, when the mechanics make statements like that. The Suburu drives like a snow plow, the mav would probably just sit and spin, the problem here in western wash., nobody slows down, my friends from Wisconsin just sit back and laugh on how we are in the snow, everything here almost shuts down with a couple of flakes, we now have about 11 inches, great tommorrow will be snow on top of ice. is'nt Winter fun. Marty
just keep on trying bartikus if nothing else, we really like pics ........or attempts anyhooo .........Robert