Borgeson steering upgrade in process!

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  1. mojo

    mojo "Everett"- Senior Citizen Supporting Member

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    I finally started the upgrade after ordering this kit last year July 30th 2014., made it a birthday gift to myself.
    I had been looking at this kit for the last 5yrs. at the NSRA meet in Kalamazoo MI. September meet. It really is a learning experience for me, as I have never had a steering column out; I have had most everything else but a steering col. out. Over the last several decades I had been out of the hobby, till I got this car in July 09, another birthday gift. Probably, why I never had a col. out. Anyway, while I have it out, I have opportunity to get some other things done that's easier to get at w/ it & mc out.
    I got a lot of info. on the procedure from Marsko125 forum member who had done this swap and the first one I have seen do a write up on it. I also got some info. from some of the Mustang, U-tube and Borgeson site. I am going to try and pull the steer boxes out/in thru the top. I will be updating as I go forward.
     

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    GrabberGT Chris

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    Cool. Looks like you are starting with a manual box. Is the existing pitman arm going to work?
     
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    mojo "Everett"- Senior Citizen Supporting Member

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    Starting w/ pwr steering box. Existing pitman arm suppose to work - they have an adapter that replaces the pwr valve.
     
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    71gold Frank Cooper Supporting Member

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    I hope yours is better than the one I used on mine...MU3304A 01
     
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    mojo "Everett"- Senior Citizen Supporting Member

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    I thought u have the R&C r&p setup? U have another car w/ the Borg setup?
     
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    71gold Frank Cooper Supporting Member

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    not the Borg setup but went from power to manual steering once and used that adapter to delete the PS.
    the MU3304A 01 adapter was garbage...:yup:
    you said..."they have an adapter that replaces the pwr valve." what one is it?
     
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    Hi mojo. Haven't much info on this swap. What will you gain for the time and money spent here?
     
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    I've done some research for maybe using on my Fairlane so I'll jump in...

    Basically it's a power assisted integral design similar to units used on full size, F-series etc... Main issues are clearance for the hydraulic lines, doesn't fit with manual trans clutch linkage(Z bar interference), or maybe not with column shifter... Also column must be shortened somewhat to allow unit to fit in Ford's intermediates, Mustang, & Maverick... Since my Fairlane is 4-speed I couldn't use one...

    If I remember correctly, someone on this board did a step by step photo shoot of a install...
     
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    I see. So, basically uses a manual linkage setup to do away with the slave cylinder. Got it, thanks much.
     
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    Don't know about ur adapter, the part # for my adapter #999003, it appears to be a quality piece. I don't have any issues w/ the quality of all the stuff in the kit - I just have to finish getting it installed b4 make any final judgment.
     
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    This is the only person I have seen post anything about the swap...
    http://mmb.maverick.to/threads/borgeson-power-steering-pic-heavy-sorry.85596/
     
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    I have hit a snag w/ the install of this unit. The bracket for the Saginaw pump, supplied for the SBF was not designed to fit cars w/ OE p/s. The spacers supplied w/ pump will not lineup w/ inboard pulley used for p/s and water pump. It will lineup w/ alt pulley. That ain't going to fly. The way the bracket is made if u move it closer to the block, it hits the fuel pump. I modified the bracket and spacers but still don't quite line up. I am now in the process of conferring w/ the mfg. on this issue. So far, I am not satisfied w/ the response, and what if anything, they intend doing to "make it right".
    I contacted them Monday, and sent them some pix; have not heard from them. I might seem a little impatient since it has not been a week. I am going to contact them today and see what's their story. If they don't sound like they are willing to work w/ me on this " consumer action w/ state authorities is in order". I don' t intend to wait till weather gets in the 90 deg. point to be working in the garage. I thought the price they get for the product included engineering. If the bracket needed modification to fit OE p/s cars, it should have stated that in the instructions/brochures.
    I believe the proper spacers w/ the modified bracket will make it work. To say, "I am pissed off" is an understatement SAM_0192.JPG SAM_0193.JPG
     

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    Why aren't you using youre existing pump? Is it not compatible?
     
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    My existing pump has a howling noise and have never been able to get rid of it, even after having it rebuilt. It is not the pump for that year car; it seems to be for a later model. It has the large 1" opening to replace fluid. The cars I have seen in my yr category has the small opening. I don't know if that has any bearing on the howl, but after 5 yrs of listening - really had enough. If Borg. designed the pump assembly like they should have I wud'nt be having this issue. So far, they don't seem to be to interested in working it out w/ me. That is my opinion at this point. If I had known what I know now I wud not have bought it. I'll just have to see where it goes from here.
     
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    I think I have figured out how the set up will work on the OE pulley Ford intended it to be on. If they had done their homework they wud have included alternative instructions for those who do not want to redesign the wheel "so to speak".
    I got it to line up w/ the pulleys by cutting a hole in the bracket and cutting the included spacers to 1" length. Won't know for sure till I get everything hooked up and running. The pulleys all seem to lineup now so I won't have to worry bout throwing a belt in the middle of nowhere. If I can figure it out - they should be able to.
     

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