Master cylinder question...may convert

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  1. Acornridgeman

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    I know that the rod as purchased was no where near as long as I needed. Once I added the extension it had all the pedal height adjustment and travel I needed.

    For the light it doesn't take much to get it proper sized. Maybe .010 or so on the one I had. You will read where guys tried 3 or 4 switches until they found one that worked, thinking it was bad switches. Actually, all they finally found was a switch with more play in it that worked with the larger sized rod.
     
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    Eric, I thought when the pedal leaves rest position, it opens the circuit and activates lights? Seems it wud need some added material in some situations to keep it on the switch to close the circuit. Does this seem to make sense?
     
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    The way it works (at least as far as I know) is the pedal with the switch attached, moves slightly towards the firewall before the rod does - pushing the rod back against the switch. There has to be just a slight gap between the rod and the switch at rest to turn off the light.
     
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    yes the rear. I have the stock rear end.
     
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    Hey guys I'm looking up this m.c. just like the old one right? I ask because the big and small fittings on it are reversed.
     
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    Here is a pic of the Drake disc/disc in my '72. I made the lines myself so I don't remember which ones had a different flare nut size from stock. The distribution block is also a Drake product.
    Hope the pic helps.


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    Well yea I'm going to remake the lines I just want to be sure they go from the same ports
     
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    The one I bought was made for Fords, and yes, the rear reservoir is the front brake, front reservoir is rear brake.

    Mine carried this part # C7ZZ-2140-4WDB
     
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    Ok how did you get the pushrod disconnected from the pedal? I have the cotter pin out but the rod won't move enough to the side to slide off the pedal. Seems like the switch is preventing it and I can't get that off
     
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    Loosen the MC from firewall, will allow enough travel to remove switch and rod together(which is how it must be reassembled)... They can be a major PITA, I've also removed brake pedal pivot pin...

    I recently had brake light failure on my Comet, was the switch... Tested fine when removed but evidently didn't like something about MC rod, replacement is OK... It is apparently a switch for power brake application, as lights activate by just touching pedal... No doubt better than no brake lights...
     
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    I didn't have any issues like that. I can take the switch, bushings, sleeve and rod - all off the pedal - once the special shaped clip is off.

    Yes, getting old rod out of the old master is a hit and miss. Sometimes nothing will get them off and other times they do come out without damage.
     
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    They made different switches that look the same.

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    Yes, Ford had many switches. My comment was in thinking about guys that keep taking a new Balkamp or Standard Products switch back to the parts store, claiming switch is defective. Until they get one that works. I have read several posts like that - about new parts store switches.

    Here is a pic of a Maverick rod I pulled - and a pic of the Drake adjustable rod from the Internet (if someone has one, take a picture of the rod's switch contact and post it - mine is in the car already so I used the internet picture) - see how the new Drake rod is thicker at the switch contact? That is what I was talking about shaving down to prevent the switch from staying on and keeping the brake lights on all the time.

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    Found this great, simple diagram on how these Ford switches work. Might clear up some misunderstanding of how and what activates the brake light. Note the red line shows the air gap between the rod and the switch when the pedal is at rest.

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    speaking of that switch, some numnuts rigged up a pressure switch for the brakes. So, now I have an extra brass block in the engine bay with wires going back under the dash. I guess because they couldn't get underneath the damn dash. But I went through with it again...

    I finished the job. All new front lines. The old lines in the engine bay were kinked from their rig job! No wonder I had terrible brakes. I haven't finished bedding in the pads, but the pedal still feels a little spongy and the car isn't rolling down the driveway. not as bad as before but I think something is still wrong...and this is a new master. maybe when I'm done it won't feel as spongy.
     
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