HHO Generator - Save Gas

If I only changed the oil in our '04 Lincoln LS every 6 months, it would be going over 22,000 miles between oil changes... I guess most people don't put close to 90,000 miles on there car in two years, though...

 

Can Someone please explain to Me

If I inject "HHO" into my engine which is the stoichiometrically correct ration for perfect burning, where does the "Extra"oxygen come from that the O2 sensors are supposed to be detecting and dumping "Extra" gasoline into the engine.
If the hydrogen were really improving the combustion charachteristics of the gasoline it would seem you would just put your foot down less far on the accelerator and there would be less air used and no extra O2 in the engine.
As far as I can see, the only reason there would be "Extra" O2 in the engine is if the "HHO" changed the stoichiometric A/F ratio of the gasoline and that has never been a claim I have read.

 

This sounds like something someone else said before.......

 

Easy to explain. HHO 2 parts hydrogen 1 part pure Oxygen. The air that we breath contains roughlt 21% oxygen mixed with a bunch of other gases the biggest being Nitrogen. So there is a small amount per ratio of O2 in the system itself. By injecting pure O2 into the engine there will be exta nonspent O2 in the Exhaust and it also detects the new anounts of water now present when Hydrogen is burned. This is the way it has been explained to me.

 

No I don't own a Maverick...just intrested in the conversation and it seems to be a very intelegent one. I have had some other Forumns that it just got plain mean and stupid.

I am using 308 SS standard fender washers ID 1/4in OD 2in. Give me your email and I can send you the diagram of how I have it put together. Rather simple if you ask me and very obvious if you know how the electicity flows in the water around and through the metal to complete the voltage circut.

 

I do...I have to get mine changed every month.

 

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clint -at- divingnutz.com



Yep. That seems to be the jest of this forum... May not agree but can keep it civil and calm

Thanks for any info you can provide!

 

The stoichiometric A/F ratio of gasoline is about 14.7
By changing the A/F ratio to 16.1 (Lean Burn) you would likely:
1. Increase fuel economy as an AF ratio of around 16.2 is typically the most economical at part throttle.
2. Increase heat in the engine which will
3. Probably increase NOx production and
4. Be breaking at least one Federal law concerning tampering with a cars emission controls

 

So... I have topped off the Maverick and recorded the odometer reading. My tires are a little taller than stock, so I'll give both "recorded" and "corrected" mileage once I burn up most of this gas and top it off again. (BTW, what is the stock tire size for a '71 Grabber anyway? I'll need that to correct my MPG.)

Meanwhile, I'm working on my HHO generator. I'll make my own design, because I think I understand the principle and I just might have an idea in mind that's more efficient than what I've seen in all the Youtube vids I've been watching of these things. (I'll give this an honest try, but I'm also not going to burn too much money on it.)

Based on seeing these designs and listening to the commentary in the vids ranging from misguided intelligence to pseudoscience to outright mad ravings, making up new words, curious skeptical tinkerers to guys who talk like Vince the Sham-Wow guy, I have picked out a few common key points that make the some sense.

My understanding is this: The designs that generate the most efficient electrolysis are the ones that expose the most electrode surface area, and they work best when the positive and negative electrodes, (fins, plates, washers, whatever) are as close as possible together without actually touching, right? And people have used all manner of electrolyte solutions. I can't tell that any one is better than another, so unless someone suggests a better idea I'm going to use about 1 tsp baking soda per liter of water. Sound good? I might also try a non-foaming surfactant, such as Redline "Water Wetter."

 

Some locals that are doing this say sodium hydroxide works much better tahn baking soda... Personaly Im using baking soda myself at this time... Mainly because its easier to find.

 

Hello Brad

Yes, and when it is burnt in the engine every Hydrogen and Oxygen molecule will recombine and form water leaving no spare O2 for the sensor to detect

Yes, but the O2 sensor only detects O2, not the other gasses.

Why is there unspent O2 present. Where is it coming from? It has not come from the electrolyzer because all of that O2 re-combined with the H2.

Do the O2 sensors also detect water? I have never heard that said before.Water is not O2

I think someone is pulling your leg.

 

So we'll use the same thing then. I like it. What ratio are you using?

 

Whee.... Okay, first results of my prototype were pretty fun. Pics tomorrow. For now, here's what I did...

Two large CPU heatsinks, like you'd find on a computer. These things are just blocks of aluminum with a whole lot of deep fins in them. I put the fins together, with a piece of split Cat5 network cable running in between them to keep the two sides from touching. So what I had was effectively six feet of surface area 3" wide for each electrode, fractions of a milimeter apart. I used my ohmeter to confirm I had no contact between the two sides before I submerged it.

Then I touched it off to a battery and it fizzed up real good. I mean boiled like Mentos thrown into a bottle of Coke. Much more than I expected. About that time the wires melted and filled my garage with smoke.

So, second take... Lesson learned: use bigger wire. So I did, and it effervesced triumphantly. Then it melted my crimp connectors. Ohmeter showed there's really not much resistance between the two sides when that block is submerged.

Third try... I seperate the heatinks. This time the device is stable and isn't trying to melt anything, but it's also barely working.

Conclusion? The answer lies somewhere between those two extremes. I need a lot of surface area, the electrodes need to be close together, but that was overkill.

I'm glad I opened my big mouth, this is turning out to be a lot of fun. Next time I'm gonna light it.

 

This is an interesting Test on the improvement you can expect when using HHO

"And to check that the laws of thermodynamics still apply, we set up a simple but very effective test.

We took a small gasoline-powered generator and attached a 300W load. We ran it three times on 100ml of gasoline each time and averaged the run-time.

We then connected an electrolysis cell that was powered from a separate 12V battery and repreated the three tests. When the generator didn't have to power the electrolysis cell we noted a 2% longer run (ie: 2% better fuel efficiency).

However, when we hooked the electrolysis cell up so that it was driven by the generator (as it would be in your car), the generator ran for 14% *less* time than before. In effect, the hydrogen gas setup caused the fuel-efficiency of the generator system to get worse, not better.

The problem is that you can never recover all the energy that goes into creating the hydrogen. The load on the generator is greater than the tiny amount of hydrogen created can compensate for.

It is a scam. We tried it. We proved it. And we're not afraid to tell you because we aren't trying to scam you."

 

That's pretty compelling, Tilly. Maybe I ought to stop trying to blow up my garage...