HHO Generator - Save Gas

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  1. PaulS

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    Tests like that have been done by everyone from the guy next door to university engineering classes. They all have roughly the same repeatable results. It takes more energy to make the gas than the gas can generate. The HHO generators have never shown any improvement when the device being run was used to make the power for the generator. The fuel consumption has always gone up - more fuel used when the HHO generators are connected in the system. These are controlled experiments with known loads. When you put one of these on your car you drive the car differently which improves the milage but you can still get better mileage by driving like it is connected when it is not.
     
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    Sodium Hydroxide and Potassium Hydroxide work the best. They are used in soap making and apparently crystal meth. I wanted to get some but the shipment was stopped and I was questioned by the local police about it. Now after explaining it they want to try it on there crusers. I can't get it though...you have to have a special license to get it. Silver, and platnum are better than stainless steel. Platnum will last a long, long time...hard to come by though and silver is just to expensive.
     
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    The reason for more consumption of fuel is because it is ritching up the mixture. If they just put one on without adjusting the O2, MAP or MAF then it will use more fuel. Here is a question...how many amps does one headlight pull...around 5 (it uses a 10 amp fuse). If you have 2 headlights and 2 foglights the you are pulling about 20 amps. My fuel consumption doesn't go up when I turn my lights on and my radio and my heater. So don't tell me the added consumtion of fuel is due to the device. My device pulls no more the 10 amps even after running for 2 hours and 5 amps cold.
     
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    I guess the mechanic at the dealership where I go for service is pulling my leg then.
     
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    Nice test. Alumnum was a good choice for testing but not for anything permament. You really should get 12 g wire so it will hold up better.
    The reason for the loss of bubbling is because the voltage loss is greater between the two pieces. The closer the pieces the more gas, but the higher heat. You need to have neutral plates in there. To pass the voltage off to. Look at the smackbooster design and it explains what I mean. It is alot of fun to desing once you get into it.
     
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    Why is it so hard for people to understand that the fuel mixture is leaned out and the hydrogen is making up for the loss of fuel. It is a replacement not an addative like other fuel enhansers. It make the fuel burn more efficent so less is needed. Some vehicles will detect this and adjust accordingly unless you get to much in the mixture then you have to fool the O2 sensors.

    I am not selling anything...so what am I scamming you out of. Try it if you want to...don't try it if you don't want to. Makes no difference to me.
     
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    facelessnumber Drew Pittman

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    Yeah dude it like, totally does.
     
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    I am done posting here...try it if you want. I just think it is strange that you will believe someone that says it doesn't work, but won't believe someone that says it does without testing it for yourself. Call me a scammer call me what ever you want. I wasn't asking for money, I wasn't asking for fame and fortune. I was just tring to tell people that this works and I have done it. Thanks to the people that used this as a discussion and not an argument.
     
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    Not any mesuarable amout...not 10 or 20% more like they saw.

    Thank you facelessnumber you atleast hummored me.
     
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    facelessnumber Drew Pittman

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    Aw man, just when I bring out the pics...

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    First attempt. Right after I put power to it for just a couple of seconds. You can still see some of the bubbles. It was really going. But less than a minute after this pic was taken, the wires melted off.

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    This one worked better, didn't melt the wires, but melted the plastic around my terminals and finally melted the crimp connector off one of them.

    Yes, that's a spare washer fluid reservoir I had. I figured if this does end up in the Mav for a while, I don't want to have to answer questions about a mason jar every time I open the hood...
     
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    Hello Brad
    Why does it "Richen up" the mixture?
    Have you done any tests that shows the Exhaust has unburnt fuel in it and is running richer than it is supposed to be?
    If the O2 sensor is detecting O2 in the exhaust that means there is O2 in the exhaust and it is running lean.
    In one of your posts you said you have tampered with your polution controls so that now your car runs with an A/F ratio of 16.1:1 instead of 14.1:1 This means your car is now runing lean. So if it is lean now it was probably correct before you made the adjustments.
    Running your car lean is likely to improve gas mileage as well as shorten engine and catalytic converter life.
    And it is illegal in most states.
     
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    How did I mess with the polution controls...it is the O2 sensor...and like you said earlier it only detects O2 and nothing else. You have no idea what I did to the O2 sensor to make it run a little leaner. It was tested by the dealer..that is a fact. It ran richer because the MAF and the O2 sensor recieved conflicting data and the O2 sensor won because it thought it was running to lean because of the exta O2 in teh system. I really don't care for someone that cuts someone down every chance they get so just keep picking and proding...I am not going to contradict myself. If you don't have anything nice to say your are part of the problem in the world and not part of the solution. People like you are the reason the write brothers were concidered crazy unill they proved people wrong.

    As for the pictures...no wonder it melted things...that was probably using alot of amps...probably around 50 or even 60 by the way it was structured.
     
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    Oh yeah, no doubt about it. It produced a spectacular fountain of gas though. I played with electrolysis a lot when I was a kid. Electroplating things, collecting hydrogen and oxygen, (together and seperately, mostly just to fill balloons and light 'em off) but I never tried to run an engine with it, and I never used anything with as much juice at a car battery. I just took what I learned from that and scaled it up. It's no fun just following somebody else's instructions when you think you can improve it, right? And I still think I can do something with these heatsinks, I just need to get the spacing right and put something else between the fins. :hmmm:

    I know it's not going to do diddley-damnit for my gas mileage, but at this point I'm having fun, hopefully not at the expense of burning down my Maverick.
     
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    Be careful with Alum. It creates a substance in eh bottom of the container called Aumn-Oxide (Blue Color). When it gets on something it rarely comes off. Stainless is the best because it makes Ferris-Oxide which comes of with soap and water. Aumn-Oxide also has a lower vapor point than Ferris-Oxide (Rust Color) so using it in your car may not be a good idea because of the fact the Alumn-Oxide may coat things that you don't want coated. Copper is good but it errodes fast but the Cooper-Oxide (dark orange color) has a very high vapor point.

    I am glad you are having fun. You may be supprised that it will improve the mileage without O2 modifications. Just remember to put it after the MAF sensor.
     
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    I'm not sure which would surprise me more - actual gains in fuel mileage or finding a MAF sensor on my Maverick...
     

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