Well of course I still takes forever between shifts. but I forgot to mention that my kickdown linkage is not hooked up. the tranny seems to shift ok under light/moderate acceleration, but under hard throttle is when I get the delay between shifts. could the kickdown have anything to do with this. someone told me today that the tranny on thier Ch%#y burnt up becuase the kickdown wasnt hooked up and it wasnt adjusting pressure.
The kick down rod dont do anything on a C4 but kick it down a gear. I've been running 5 years without one and never had a problem.
You could have at least sugar coated your response I kinda was expecting that answer anyway. thanks though. I spoke with david kee toploaders, they want $1300 for a new 4 speed. I told them how I got ripped off with the Imposter toploader. Anyway, I said I had another toploader with broken linkage, they said theyd nock off $400 towards a new one if I give them mine. $900 plus $ for a mcleaod clutch setup, Thats were I'm pointed right now.
AdamMav, Just something to think about...but depending on how much power you're making, you might want to think about a T-5! They are a lot cheaper and easier to come by (i paid $500 for mine)...plus they are pretty easy to install (the only difference between the toploader and the t-5 is that you would have to make/have someone make a x-member for it). I have done the swap and i must say...it was easier than i expected and the overdrive is great. Not to mention all the improvements they've made with modern-day aluminum-cased manuals.
I've heard of them, where could i find one for $500? would it be new/rebiult? Is it a 4 speed? I've gone through two c4's and one toploader (didnt even get out of the driveway with the toploader) So Ive learned my lesson. I dont know what made me think I could get away with $3000 in the motor and only A $100 tranny behind it. The cheaper the better but I need something that will hold up to a built up 302.
$1300 for a toploader is pretty high. I bought mine from a fairly local speed shop, rebuilt, for $450. I also bought another one off Ebay for $225. Toploaders are very easy to rebuild and kits are readly available. I'd keep looking. T5's will never take the punishment that a toploader will. They are a great transmission but it just depends on how your planning on driving your car and the amount of power you have. Here is a link to a very informative page about T5's: http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/09/t5swap/index.shtml
I heard for a long time that the T-5 trannys are weak transmissions, and not to bother doing the swap unless you use a rebuild kit. I was also told if you want to go with a T-5 go with a TKO or TKO II which are more of a performance t-5 versus the factory stock "world class" t-5. Anyone know more about this?
Its to my understanding that the T5 5 spd manual transmission used in GM production cars were weak with the 305 (utter pig) having the ability to mutilate the transmission. There are two companies that manufacture the T5 i believe. The ford T5 is supposedly a good transmission if it came out of an unabused car (i.e. definitely not a 1990 Mustang GT that was owned for the past 13 years by a dude that got it new when he was 16). Other wise its definitely a rebuild. Peace of mind is better than minding the all the pieces. p34c3, Kyle
TKO would be they way to go got a buddy who has one in his stang runs 11.40s N.A. shifting @ 7000 he loves his.A TREMEC T-5 is a weak tranny they are only rated up to about 220 HP @ crank any more than that is like a time bomb behind your engine waiting to go off.then theres T-5 world class a little better,also theres Tremec 3550 its better Than world class .Over that is TKO HOLCOMB MOTORSPORTS sells the tko for $1349.That price is about the same everywere.Just my $.02
There seems to be some confusion concerning the T-5s, so let me clear some of this up. There are over one hundred different T-5's made, for everything from four-banger chebbies to v8 fords and chebbies. They are all rated to take different amounts of torque, and as you can imagine, a four-banger tranny won't last long behind a built v8. When i suggested a t-5 swap, i would suggest a 1988 or newer MUSTANG GT T-5. From 1988 or so onward, they are perfectly capable of handling 300+ ft-lbs of torque. For example, my girlfriends car, a 1996 ford mustang with a '94 5.0L in it, stock T-5, etc, makes 280 SAE RWHP and 305 SAE RWTQ (heads, intake, cam, etc. etc.). It has run that way at the track and on the streets for over two years, powershifted, clutch-dumped, and otherwise beaten on. The mustang T-5's are perfectly fine behind just about any kind of naturally aspirated 302 (which, with only $3000 into the engine, is what i assume you have, and probably about the same amount of power you can expect). When would you NEED a TKO or 3550? When you throw a supercharger on that mix, or put a bigger engine (i.e. 351, 347). As i was saying, there are over 100 kinds of T-5's, and among them are those built by Borg Warner and Tremec. Somewhere in the '90's Tremec bought the design from BW and improved on it to the tune of an extra 20 ft-lbs. This pushed the max torque rating from 330 to 350. In my opinion the Tremec T-5's just aren't worth the extra money, as you can easily get a 3550 or TKO for the same price. If you decide to go the T-5 route, i suggest a '90 to '93 GT transmission. Aside from the '94-5 cobra t-5's, they have the highest torque rating. The '94-5 t-5's are excellent but they are something like 5/8" longer on the imput shaft. That doesn't create a problem but does create some confusion (i believe charlie ping has used a '94 cobra t-5). All T-5's manufactured from the mid-eighties onward are classified as "world class". KillerComet, i don't know where you get the 220 hp figure but you're way off...the TREMEC t-5's you speak of are actually the best of the t-5's, rated at 350 ft-lbs (ft-lbs is the correct rating, not hp). Why would i go with a t-5 over a toploader? Well, the toploader can obviously handle more power...but it also pays the price in weight (cast iron casing versus aluminum casing). The actual weight on my entire t-5, bellhousing, clutch, etc. etc., was 123lbs. I would estimate that i shaved easily 50-75lbs off my car over a c4. That equates to a set of aluminum heads. Also, the t-5's overdrive means that you can run a steeper gear (3.73's are a great combination) while still getting GREAT gas-mileage on the freeway and not running at 4,000 rpms. I picked my T-5 up off ebay. I paid $450 for the transmission, bellhousing, and fork. I picked up a clutch for $100 at autozone, and bought a master and slave cylinder for another $150. All in all, the t-5 cost me a little over $1000 (shortened driveshaft, etc. etc.). Mine was not rebuilt but i was able to rebuild it for $150 for the kit. Personally i am very happy with my t-5. I think i would have been happy with a toploader too, though. If you have any questions, feel free to email me.
What application did you use? I am collecting parts to convert my 77 over to a T5 setup. Did you use the 157 tooth flywheel?
I've been running my T5 for about 6 years now. I used an adaptor plate from California Pony Cars. CJ Pony Parts and others sell them now, too. Kept the old bellhousing and clutch linkage. I have a warmed up 302 w/ 125 hp shot of nitrous. Used to be on the pre '88 (I think) T5's third gear was a concern when power shifted. Seems the synchros/blocker rings would split. After that approximate time they started using carbon fiber material that holds up better. I bought mine brand new from D & D perfomance for $999. At that same time Summit wanted $1199. World class, it's rated at 330 lb-ft and has the steel throwout bearing retainer (very important) and roller bearings for the shafts. I've seen some of these Fastest Street Car racers puttiing 600 hp through them with no problems, so I'd say I'm pretty safe.
My 77 is a sissy stick so I need to get a clutch set up. I have the pedals and was looking into hydraulic set up instead of hunting down linkage. The kits from the Mustang suppliers are around $400. I know its been done way cheaper.
sorry for the wrong information regarding the T- 5 trans.My understanding is that they were a weak unit based on 88-to about say93 ive had 3 friends who have had problems with theres behind mild built 90s mustangs with between 80k and 95k miles.Thats not saying there all junk.Just a thought.Id still recomend a TKO if budget allows.
CaCollo I dont have any experience with T5s and I was wondering what was available in aftermarket parts Specifically input , out put shafts , syncros and possibly higher content nickle gears Any help would be great . I have someone asking me here at home .
