1969 - 70 Mustang Guys, I need advice

Seems he added a cobra to the fenders, it would go.

 

Just a side note, these are things that i am 95% sure of on the car. Some of the things i list may or could work in my favor.

As far as running condition, any other 1970 car with 34 to 36k miles sitting for 40 years, i could have running in a day, this car would get special time and care given to it on the running part, if no leaks, it would take me two full weekends before i even thought about turnning the key.

He still has the original wheels&covers, and get this----> WHITE WALL TIRES, ( lmao, what was Ford thinking. )

He has added cobra emblems ( at least on the LH side ) and seems he has a set of side pipes. Now i am not sure how he has the pipes mounted, i hope no rocker drilling was done.

It's hard for me to price the car fairly, i really cant find anything close to compare it to, i think all the ones in Erics post were resto's, this car is mostly the way it was the day it was sold. Mom did have the limiter removed and some emissions parts seemed to have fallen off here or there before it had the first 100 miles on it.

 

NADA lists the value ( mileage not taken into account ) as: low price 34k mid range 50k and high end value of 98k. Mom never let money get in her way when it came to something she had to have, she always seemed to find a way, guess i need to do the same.

 

Keep your fingers crossed for me, i am going to wait until i can drive my Mav before i go to see him, that way he will hear me comming before he sees me . And i will definitly keep this thread up to date when things get taken to the next step.

A little more info on the car, her name is Sadee, mom's favorite song to cruise to was Long Cool Women by the Hollies.

 

The wife is on pins and needles ( lol ) she sees us sinking into debt quickly, my response to her was " i only live once " and i will leave her name off all loan paper work, just to ease her mind.

 

Looking over the ones Eric listed for me i think this on is the closest to what i'm going after.

$80,000 - http://www.cars-on-line.com/45265.html

 

Just one look and i was a bad mess, cause that long cool woman had it all.



[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzypsl_i-4o"]The Hollies, Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress with lyrics - YouTube[/nomedia]

 

I've had a lot of Ford cars in my life, and the one I regret selling was the last drag car I had before the Maverick....................1968-1/2 CJ Mustang.
If your Mom's old car is an SCJ/4spd and has been sitting for that many years...........I assume the guy didn't go out and start it every month or so....
there is no way I would try and start the motor after sitting that long. There are too many very valuable parts in the motor............not to mention the block which if original bore is priceless if it is a numbers matching. The engine/trans should really be taken out, and rebuilt..............by that I mean all clearances need to be checked (maybe the cylinders just need to have the glaze removed), new bearings, rings, gaskets...............and everything taken appart and cleaned....................the same with the trans. Since it has a locker rearend it should also be taken out and at least flushed/cleaned even if you don't take it apart.
If the car is original...............meaning body panels, no rust, and the paint can buffed out to look really nice................the drivetrain rebuilt (which is my mind is a must if it is a numbers matching car) with that few miles......and everthing detailed to the max, I believe at a Mecum or Barett Jackson auction it good bring close to $100k, if it had the Drag Pak it could probably bring more.
More and more people with BIG BUCKS are looking for original cars with low miles...........................A Car Is Only Original Once...........after that it is a Restored Original Car.............................IMHO

Ok, I looked at the pictures you sent again with the hood open and I see the "infamous" engine oil cooler which looks very much stock and the drivers side horn which is now on the passanger side (this was stock when the drag pack was orderd)...........................so, that could not be added to the car unless it had the "Drag Pack", which included the engine oil cooler and had to have either 3:91 or 4:30 set of gears with an "N" case and locker.
Now, with all of this said there were Mustangs made that were susposed to be SCJ's and have actually been proven to be CJ's.......................the engine being quite different on the inside...........................so, the only way to make sure is to take the motor apart and document that it actually has LeMans rods............................but all in all this would be a fantastic opportunity..........not to mention a great investment.
Here is a 70 CJ that has been pieced together..........non-original motor that is for sale on Evil Bay................and needs to restored...............for $25k.
My guess is that the guy that has the car knows exactly what it is and wants top dollar, which if he wants $70k...............he's not that far off the mark..............IMHO

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...2636110?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ec458984e

 

It is, in the pic with the hood open you can see the factory oil cooler on the left hand side ( SCJ ONLY ) and the horns are on the RH side, again SCJ.

I'm not sure how often the man has started it, i hope he hasn't to be honest the best i can hope for is that he drained the fuel and coolant 40 years ago. I wont know for sure until i talk to him myself.

I helped restore a 1969 428 Mach 1, removing a engine from one of these things is no small task, there is no room for error. With that being said, if the motor in the car turns free by hand, theres no way i plan on pulling it out, unless i absolutely have to.

If and when i ever do get it back, i have a bore scope i can use when i drain the oil to inspect for sludge in the oil pan, hopefully there is none, if there isnt -----> new filter --- new oil ----> pull valve covers ----> mark and remove distributer, use a drill and adaptor, and comense to primming the heck out of the oiling system.

And i plan on keeping it all original if i can.

 

Something else i have been told but cannot yet confirm, my brother says that there are two dehumidifiers in the garage with the cars that are on timmers and run at night. Hopefully rust wont be an issue.

 

Man, that is awesome.

 

I had the motor in and out of my 68-1/2 428 CJ/wC6 a number of times, and once you got the headers off it wasn't any harder than putting my 408/w Powerglide in and out of the Maverick...................and I've done that by myself!
Let us know if you get the car and if you do at least drop the pan to verify that it is a SCJ with LeMans rods.

 

So your saying that other Mustangs had a FACTORY EXTERNAL OIL COOLER ON THE RADIATOR SUPPORT ? The car is a 1970 428-SCJ 4 speed Black on Black car, there is no reason for me to exaggerate anything about her. I can provide paper work once the deal is done if you like. I know the Dealership the car was bought at, it's walking distance from my house.

And i think its great that you can blow through a 428 R&I, i refuse to hurry on them, just the way i like to work. The one i restored with my brother looks alot like this one, we took our time on the engine install, and it turned out show quality. I can provide pictures of the restore on it to.

 

What I was trying to say is there have been a number of cars (documented cars) that left Ford with paperwork saying they were suposed to have the SCJ motor, but actually had CJ motors. If you have worked on CJ and SCJ motors then you understand there are subtle differences between the two motors...........they both had the same heads, intakes, blocks, (if the motor is an SCJ it should be marked with a SUPER on the front of the block, alerting the Ford assemblers to install SCJ components rather than CJ)............as the CJ and SCJ internal parts are not able to be cross swapped.........the crank/rod/piston/dampner/flexplate were different.................I have seen one where the factory data said the car came with 4:30 rearend (which meant it should be an SCJ)...........and did have an oil cooler and horn relocated, but the Marti report said it came from the factory with 3:50's, not 4:30's.............................and the report said that 4 other supposedly SCJ cars had similar factory errors.................and the one I saw.........when the motor was torn down..................it wasn't an SCJ, but CJ.
I am not saying your Mom's old car is not an SCJ, but that Ford did some strange things back in the day and if the San Jose plant made at least 4 mistakes on SCJ/CJ cars...............kind of makes you wonder how many other factories made those same mistakes.
So with that said, the only surefire way to prove the motor is an SCJ is to check the rods which should be C6AE-E, front dampner should be a C8AE-C and flywheel should be a C9ZE-A.............also the timing pointer on an SCJ was longer than a CJ and was a C90Z-A......................and if you can find the SUPER stamped into the block it should also pretty much clinch it.
I've worked on a fare amount of FE motors while drag racing and all of this is just from my personal experience........................not out of some book or off the web. I also had a few friends that worked at Ford during the Muscle car era I can say with complete truthfulness that Ford did some weird and crazy stuff when it came to cars coming off the assembly lines with different assemblies in them from 63 into the early 70's.