5 lug and disc conversion

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    The 94 actually has 4.10 gears, not stock. What I'm really wanting is the wheels off of my 94 mustang they are deep. and the front will eventually be the mustang II but for now I want 5 lug to bolt the wheels up. I may go next weekend and pull stuff off of the 94 its at my parents ranch just sitting rotting. Then with everything off I can have a look. Fab work isn't a real problem. I'm just not ready to get into to deep with money yet. i traded a 81 f150 I had sitting around for the car.
     
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    Cool! 4.10 gears could make an inline six fun! Is yours manual or auto?
     
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    manual on the floor.
     
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    If it's a 3 or 4 speed, you need an overdrive with that rear gear ratio to make it driveable over 60 mph. At 70 mph you would probably be turning 4500 rpm's. an overdrive with the same motor and rear would get you closer to 2500-3000 rpms at 70.
    My wife's car has a big modern V6 with 3.66 rear gears and spins 2250 rpms at 70. My Ram truck with v8 motor and overdrive transmission turns about 2000 rpm's at 70 with 3.42 gears.

    I think a 200 or 250 with a T5 and 4.10 gears would be fun off the line, a cool, different build, and get pretty good gas mileage on the highway as a daily driver when it is done.
    I think a early 90's Mustang 3.8L used T5 transmissions and fit the Windsor bell pattern of the 250, 260, 289, 302, 351 motors.
     
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    yea its a 3 speed. I wasn't going to leave the stock trans when i switched to the 302 though.
     
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    If you need more than 1 or 2 big ticket items, you may want to look for a parts car, that's what I did.
    I bought this for $350 off craigslist
    75 donor car.jpg
    and got this from it:
    5 lug 8" rear with 10X2 drums (my 4 lug had 9x1-1/2 drums)
    heavy duty rear leaf springs (my light duty springs were sagging)
    5 lug front spindles and hubs
    front disc brakes ( I had 4 wheel drums)
    complete power brake system, m/c, portioning valve, and brake pedal assembly ( I had manual brakes)
    complete power steering system ( I had manual steering)
    complete a/c system ( my car had no A/C and I live in Florida, bad combination!)
    complete dashboard (My dash had no A/C vents or glovebox)
    arm rests (mine were torn up)
    emblems
    tail light assembly ( I had 1 cracked lens)

    I cleaned and sold the complete 250 motor and C4 trans from it for $300,
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    I have sold about $300 of other little parts and pieces here and there from the car, motor mounts, 14" steel wheels, hood hinges, etc.
    I paid $66 for the U-haul car transporter for a day.
    It's like I was paid $200 for all of the parts I wanted.
    I still have a big stack of parts I plan on taking to the swap meet 100 miles from my house some day soon I hope.
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    May be worth a couple hundred more.
    I cut up the carcass and got $25 for the scrap steel too:
    All thats left of the 75.JPG
    If you have the space, a parts car is the cheapest way to go.
     
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    thats actually not a bad idea at all.
     
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    There's just not many old Fords around you, but I found this not too far away. ( depends on what you think is far I guess...) http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/ctd/5541028671.html
    I don't know if there's enough parts on this car that would benefit your car project, it may be too similar to yours.
    Its a vinyl top model. so it may have some better options even if its not a V8.

    This one would be a good starting point for a major build project, but I guess we are both already past a starting point and don't need another one.
     
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    More information please!!!
     
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    You may want to think about a 8.8 out of a explorer from the mid 90's 31 spline, trac lock, disc brakes, get 2 short side axles, cut 2" 8.75 from long side install spring pad to 43" on center and you there . Stock gear ratios 3.55 to 3.73 in 2wd and some 4x4 are 4.10.
    Jay

    If I'am correct the mustang 8.8 were 28 spline.
     
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    The 8" and the 8.8" are both good rear ends that can handle any kind of street engine power. The 8.8 are more likely to have disc brakes, but are also more likely to have coil spring perches like later Mustangs and Thunderbird/Cougar/MarkVII/MarkVIII
    The older rear ends usually have higher gears because they were not mated to overdrive transmissions.
    My Maverick's original rear gear was 2.79:1 !!! that means 0-60 time of 1 week or less...
    The rear I got from my parts car has 3.00:1 which is a little better, but i am planning on 3.55 or 3.80 gears depending on how it feels with the 3.00 that's in there now.

    A 94 GT rear is probably 3.55 or better. That is a great gearing if you are doing a T5 swap.
     
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    My mistake! You are absolutely correct. If you mean swapping axle shafts from 1 housing to the other.
    I was talking about swapping out the complete rear end assembly from lug nuts to lug nuts. like this:
    8 inch 5 lug 3.00.jpg
    This is the 8" 5 lug 3.00:1 open diff I took out of my donor 4 door 75 Maverick and installed in my 70 2 door.
    It was a direct un-bolt-bolt-in with no modifications or special tools.
     
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    rthomas771 has some great pics. he took when we did his. we did a Comet and a Mav that day...:thumbs2:
     
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    the stock 94 gears were 3:08's That king cobra in Dallas. I'd be more than tempted to just build, I like them for some reason. when buying a donor car I have to be careful or I'll keep the stupid thing and put money into it lol. Theres a lot to think about. I may well go in search for a donor vehicle. I'm likely knowing the people I know and working where i work to find one not on craigslist much faster. My intent was not to put to much into this at this time, hoping to use what I have. But that being said, with the information I may just have to. I actually know where a mustang II is sitting that, I might can get for next to nothing, I'll check into it tomorrow.
     
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