Exhaust Manifolds...

Discussion in 'Technical' started by jpollard, Sep 1, 2003.

  1. jpollard

    jpollard Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2003
    Messages:
    717
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Montana
    Vehicle:
    1977 Factory 302 Mav. 1970 Cougar Eliminator, 1975 302 Grabber, 1976 4door 200...and still looking
    I would think that this cam would not have a "good idle". Remember, this is going to be a daily driver that my wife will be driving. I would love to put something like the lunati cam suggested but is it practical for a daily driver??? Let me know.
     
  2. valleyracer

    valleyracer Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2002
    Messages:
    492
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    62
    Location:
    Ottawa Canada
    Vehicle:
    1977 Maverick Drag car 399 engine,C4 trans,9"with 4.33 gear ET 10.25 @ 128 mph
    Go with a Edelbrock performer or RPM but you will sacrifice your top end revs and power . It is a practical way to go though !

    Richard:)

    P.S. we know who is the boss now!! LOL:D :p
     
  3. T.L.

    T.L. Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2002
    Messages:
    4,187
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Southern Colorado
    Vehicle:
    '73 Maverick 2-door, V-8
    Comp Cams...
     
  4. Speedy

    Speedy Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2003
    Messages:
    154
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    77
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    Vehicle:
    '71 Comet GT
    More on the exhaust manafolds...

    I am fairly new to hot rodding the small Ford V8's, but I know on other make vehicles, depending on year and engine options there were several different factory exhaust manifolds available. Some that were stock small ones, and some that were obviously made to flow better. How many different exhaust manifolds did Ford make that will interchange on the 302? Did the famous HiPo 289 come with exhaust manifolds or did they come with headers?
    My point is, or question, if you will...If you want to use exhaust manifolds instead of headers, which is the best set or year or style manifold should I search for? Surely Ford made some decent flowing manifolds.
    Dave
     
  5. MAVRICK513

    MAVRICK513 MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2003
    Messages:
    12
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    33
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    1973 Maverick Grabber Clone. 302, 4 Barrel, Toploader 4spd, 3.55 gears, owned since 5/84 (My 1st car). '63 Falcon Bracket Racer, '89 Bronco, '89 Festiva, '93 Festiva
    JPOLLARD,

    If it is mostly a street car & your wife will be the primary driver, I would just use the exhaust manifolds and a Competion Cams 268H (High Energy Cam). It will give you very good street performance, a nice mild "rumble", & the manifolds won't rust through like headers eventually do. You could also try reproduction K code cast iron headers (about $289 per set), but the one side may or may not fit. One of the stock manifolds is more restrictive than the other (I forget which side - the passenger side maybe) You can replace the restrictive one with the K code one, but on the other side you will probably need to use the stock Maverick one due to the angle of the K code flange & the length of the header putting the flange at a place (against the floor) where you can't bolt a pipe to it. No matter what, you won't get great track performance out of it without slicks. There isn't a lot of room for big tires under a stock Maverick, so traction is usually a real problem. A narrowed rear with nice big meats would fix that ... but is it worth it on a street driven car? It's a lot tougher to go quick at the track than most people think. Usually a "fast" street car is a 14+ second car on a 1/4 mile drag strip.


    Good luck & have fun!

    MAVRICK513
     
  6. Max Power

    Max Power Vintage Ford Mafia

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2002
    Messages:
    1,230
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    St. Paul, MN
    Vehicle:
    1977 Maverick, 1969 Mustang Sportsroof, 1970 Mustang Grande Project
    K manifolds are the same as 351w manifilds and they won't fit.

    The driver side is usually the restrictive side on SBFs, if I'm not mistaken.
     
  7. CometGT1974

    CometGT1974 Gearhead

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,583
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    117
    Location:
    Western NC
    Vehicle:
    74 Comet GT
    Time to pull out the grinder!!!!!!!:D
     
  8. jpollard

    jpollard Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2003
    Messages:
    717
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Montana
    Vehicle:
    1977 Factory 302 Mav. 1970 Cougar Eliminator, 1975 302 Grabber, 1976 4door 200...and still looking
    What about 69 351W manifolds....are they basically the same thing or wont bolt up at all??

    JP
     
  9. Todd

    Todd Mavchanic

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2003
    Messages:
    495
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    75
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Vehicle:
    blue 70 two door
    What are the bad things about headers? Why is it worth it to go through the trouble of making stock exhaust manifolds flow better than to buy headers that will bolt right in? Seriously, I just bought Hooker 6901s and if they really are a bad thing, i want to know? Is it actually worth it to grind out stock manifolds? Somehow, that just doesn't make sense to me.

    -Todd:)
     
  10. jpollard

    jpollard Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2003
    Messages:
    717
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Montana
    Vehicle:
    1977 Factory 302 Mav. 1970 Cougar Eliminator, 1975 302 Grabber, 1976 4door 200...and still looking
    Mainly because headers cause more heat under the hood, are noisier and rust out MUCH faster than stock exhaust manifolds and have a tendency to leak more. Also, headers in some cases cause maintenance problems like not being able to replace that starter or spark plugs and other things that are done more often on a daily driver. Other than that, everyone should have headers. Its just that this car will be driven daily by me or my wife and I just want a good combination of performance and reliablity. Its hard to have both, but I am going to try. I think I will be going with headers but...the above reasons make me question it.

    JP
     
  11. CornedBeef4.6L

    CornedBeef4.6L no longer here

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2003
    Messages:
    5,217
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Vehicle:
    no longer here
    Coated headers will solve the heat issue for the most part.....
    Manifolds really do not cut it on most performance build ups. The compression you are running alone is a need for headers.
     
  12. jpollard

    jpollard Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2003
    Messages:
    717
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Montana
    Vehicle:
    1977 Factory 302 Mav. 1970 Cougar Eliminator, 1975 302 Grabber, 1976 4door 200...and still looking
    so are shorties better for HP than long tubes......
     
  13. valleyracer

    valleyracer Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2002
    Messages:
    492
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    62
    Location:
    Ottawa Canada
    Vehicle:
    1977 Maverick Drag car 399 engine,C4 trans,9"with 4.33 gear ET 10.25 @ 128 mph
    6901'S

    Do these Hookers really fit well and do the collectors come out away from the tranny? I understand these are a square port design 1 5/8 , Do these outperform Hedman's 88300 ?

    Richard:confused: :cool:
     
  14. Max Power

    Max Power Vintage Ford Mafia

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2002
    Messages:
    1,230
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    St. Paul, MN
    Vehicle:
    1977 Maverick, 1969 Mustang Sportsroof, 1970 Mustang Grande Project
    Long tubes are usually better for horsepower than shorties.

    The advantage to shorties is compactness.
     

Share This Page