Recommend me a mini starter

lol....Who needs google when Tom is in da house?

 

LOL

I should have said I think the small block C6 uses 164T, big blocks use one in the 184T range.

 

I learned the difference between the short and long nose pieces back in the late '70's when the kid at the parts store gave me a long-nosed starter for a manual trans '66 Mustang. I didn't know the difference, yet. Tore about 1/3 of the teeth off the flywheel ring gear when I tried to start it. Now I keep the short nose piece to swap over onto an auto starter.

 

I use the same starter when I swapped from a C4 to t5. https://www.moderndriveline.com/Tec...er_for_Ford_Small_Block_T5-TKO_conversion.htm

 

Read that article. There must be a difference between the early 157 tooth flywheel, as used in the '66 Mustang and has a C3XX engineering code, and the later 157 tooth flywheels. In my case the longer nose allowed the starter pinion gear to go so far forward that it barely engaged the front of the flywheel starter ring.

 

How many teeth would my c4 form a 1978 F-150 have if I wanted to buy a mini starter.
Edit.. Looks like the 157 / 164 teeth take the same starter. So I hope I have one of those?

 

AFAIK 99.9% small blocks used the 157/164 flexplates. Lone exception I can think of were the 148-ish count used on Mustang II

I've never seen that amount of teeth on flexplate/flywheel makes a difference. The pit fall is depth of teeth, which dictates the length of nose. As I mentioned in earlier post, I've used FE starters on small blocks.

 

I got tired of counting teeth..
157 is 13.25

164 is 14.25

 

Most 62-66 SBF flywheels was 160 tooth.
Not all SBF are 28.2 or 50 ounce...
62-’63 221 were 23.1oz
’62-’63 260 were 24.5oz
’64 260 were 26.2oz
’63-’67 289 were 28.2oz
’63-’67 298 HiPo were 24.7oz + 5.9oz counter-weight (34.4 total)

 

Wasn't the 160T flywheels used in the five bolt bell housings? Those ended with true '65 289 engines.

Admittedly I wasn't really thinking about pre 289 engines. Unless concours restoring a '63-'64 Falcon or 64½ Mustang, no one wants a 260 & the 221 gets no love at all.

A friend recently tried to give me a '62 Fairlane 4-door parts car with 221. Was horribly weathered(possibly in flood), no floor boards, dash rusty, even tip of dipstick had rusted away. Told him to scrap it.

BTW & FE starters? Actually cross with 170/200(probably 144)

 

Most 62-66 SBF flywheels was 160 tooth.
Not all SBF are 28.2 or 50 ounce...
62-’63 221 were 23.1oz
’62-’63 260 were 24.5oz
’64 260 were 26.2oz
’63-’67 289 were 28.2oz
’63-’67 298 HiPo were 24.7oz + 5.9oz counter-weight (34.4 total)

... and some SBF's use an EXTERNAL or NEUTRAL balance Flywheel not 28oz or 54 ...

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...c=0&_sop=10&_osacat=0&_odkw=ford+flywheel+4.1

Fortunate for Ford Small Block Six enthusiasts, the Anvil like' 250 Six in lots of Mavericks' uses all Small Block V8 157 T parts from block back - Flywheel , Starter, Clutch and Bellhouse are same as 302 enabling simple tranny upgrades .

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BTW & FE starters? Actually cross with 170/200(probably 144)
... not clear if V8 Starters will ever fit the 200 (170/144) but V8 will definitely fit the 25o Six with V8 bellhouse-starter config'.
(Some late 200's ( @ 79-81 Mustang, Fairmont,?... ) use a specific Automatic (Jatco?) only 'low mount starter' bellhouse - probly also uses V8 starter .

250/C5DA V8Bell, T5 adaptor and Hooker headers:
.. with OEM starter:
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... with PMGR 'mini' starter

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Have fun

 

Aftermarket, zero balance AFAIK not from factory. Found nothing in FMPC.

From FMPC, FE & 200 starter listed together. There was a FE 3131 parts house starter on the 200 Comet I junked.

 

I have a Jegs brand mini-starter on my 421W stroker motor and am very pleased with it. The original starter didn't want to crank that big motor when it was warm so I switched to the Jegs. I think it has been on there about ten years without a problem.
Lee "THE MAV" Richart