You hear about the guitarist who locked his keys in the car? He had to break the window to let the bass player out.... You can hear bass down to about 20hz. Repeat: You can hear bass. If you can only feel it, there's something wrong with your ears or your system. There is a limited frequency range in the low end that is accentuated during mixing to deliver punch. Depending on the instrument and style of music, this range changes. The Fletcher-Munson curve dictates that low frequency sensitivity increases as SPL increases. Basically, bass response will change depending on the volume so check your system and make sure that you like it at multiple volume levels too. Amps are one of the most important factors for quality of sound reinforcement. Sorry, don't know much about car audio. Hope this helps
I will almost take no offense at that joke .... funny. No dummies in my band ... we all have day jobs that are fairly high end. What do you call a musician who doesn't have a girlfriend? .... Homeless .... I have another musician joke, but it would earn me a couple demerits from Stephan ... Hearing down to 20 hertz is usually correct ... surprisingly, as a bass player, my hearing is a bit weak at the lower end of the scale (below G on a standard 4 string). Sometimes while learning a new song, I find myself jumping up an octave to be certain I am playing the right stuff. Might have always been that way .... might be because of all the abuse over the years. Another factor about bass is that it tend to carry throughout the whole space. It is not as directional as higher frequencies, so you have more flexibility as far as speaker placement. on the other hand, I just moved my front speakers up to the original placement in the dash, where the one AM speaker used to be. I did this because in the kick panels the front speakers seemed a bit lost. My system is so heavily biased to the rear speakers. Hiding all the speakers was a goal too.
I have a bazooka tube in my car and I love the sound. I have lot of sound deadening which made the car sound even better. So I'm very happy with it.
Haha No offense intended. I make a decent living as an audio engineer - gots lots of jokes I agree about the directionality of low frequency content. Placement of the sub should be more about where it gets a good tone (corner of a room for boominess, out in the open for punchiness, ect.). Under 80-100hz you won't really notice the directionality of it. Placement becomes more complicated if you're running multiple subwoofers do to phasing and delay issues, but I doubt that's an issue in car audio. On a side note - never did a car audio setup before, but have always wondered how there wouldn't be crazy phasing issues, and maybe even some comb-filtering, when people put a couple of tweeters here, a couple of 6x9's there, so forth and such. Even just having unmatched speakers should present some sort of phasing issue when the volume is loud enough for their signals to interact... Might have to do some research
Yea, I feel for those Alpine guys when I see videos of them tuning car stereos. It would drive me nuts
Phasing in car audio is an issue, but due to the environment and amount of mounting locations you just hafta make a few sacrifices.... side note: in db drags ( what they call a loudness comp.... if ya will) most setups are computer designed ... after the source material for the competition is released they will arange the enclosure to make best use of certian frequencies in the cars cabin... basicly the car becomes an enclosure and placement, box size, porting and phasing come into play because of the high sound pressure levels, thats why if you know how to apply what you have a $500 stereo system can blow away thousands of dollars in equipment. check out pics of these vehicles everything in the setup is done for many reasons.
Majority of these vehicles are only designed to play one not where usually you want it to play a large range.
I'm into car audio for sure. And I do enjoy Alpine products. So that being said.... Depends on how much you want to spend and what kind bass you are looking for. I wouldn't go with two subs, I would save the money and get a high quality sub and amp. If you want great hard hitting bass that will shake you around and put a smile on your face. I would go with Alpine Amp MRX-M110 $400 and Alpine Sub SWR-10D4 $230 in an enclosed box. Prices from Alpines site, Amazon.com you can get them a lot cheaper. Or if you are more on a budget I would go with Alpine Amp MRP-M500 $150 and Alpine Sub SWS-10D2 $129 in an enclosed box. I have this setup and it sounds great. And hits well also. But won't hit as hard as the other setup. Plus you could always move up to the 12in subs if want. Then for the other speakers I would go with Alpine Speakers SPS-619 $120 for the back. Then Alpine Speakers SPS-610C $130 up front in the kick panels. Then Alpine Amp MRP-F300 $150 to run those speakers. This again is my setup and sounds amazing for the price. But remember the more hard hitting bass you have the more soundproofing you will end up doing to fix rattle noises. lol. Hope this helps give you an idea.
Same Problem So I'm looking at a pair of 6x9 3-way speakers, and a pair of 12" Subs. A.) What wiring do I need? B.) What amp do I need? C.) What brands do you recommend? Thanks in advance for the input.
All depends on what you want in a system. And what you want to spend. Do you already have the speakers? If so what are they rated at? How many watts? A) Just a normal amp kit will get you set up for wiring. B) Depends. Are you going to run the 6x9s off the amp or off the deck (Audio Head Unit)? B1) For running 6x9s off a amp, get a 4ch amp, that way you can add more speakers if needed. This will sound better, but will cost you more because you have to purchase another amp. B2) If not running off an amp, Make sure your 6x9s match close to the specs (watts) of the deck. (To high of watt with the 6x9s and not enough output from the deck will make the speakers sound weak.) B3) For the 12's you will need an Mono amp. Again depends on how you configure the setup. If your speakers are a 2Ω they need to match up to 2Ω Amp. If they are 4Ω then they need to match up to a 4Ω amp. (There are exceptions to this as wiring in a series, one dual 2ohm sub ran in series becomes a 4 ohm sub, and do the same with the the other sub and you have two 4 ohm subs) Also you have to match up how much watts you are going to use to power the subs. C) I like alpine products. For me they last forever. If you don't have any components yet, I can help you set up a system. Like I said it all depends on how much you want to spend, and how well you want it to sound. Usually money comes first.
Here is another option to get you started. It'd be more than enough bass. http://www.maverick.to/mmb/showthread.php?t=92562&highlight=kicker
I'm in the tight budget area <800 I found a pair of Boss 12" subs with a box for 130 on amazon I also found a pair of Kickr 6x9 3-way speakers for about 80 To be honest I have no idea about anything audio, and you seem like you do. I appreciate all the advice you have to offer about audio set up.
I appreciate the heads up. Any personal preference or recommendation? I've seen a lot of alpine lovers, but this is my first car so I'm not exactly in the position to throw down wads of cash for the system some people have
